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Liverpool duo bank on £350m loan
Topic Started: Jan 22 2008, 09:38 PM (295 Views)
Lord Gonzo Liverpool
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Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett believe they can complete a £350m refinancing deal by Thursday to secure their immediate Anfield future.

City observers said on Wednesday the deal was under threat, with Dubai International Capital (DIC) waiting in the wings for a possible takeover.

But BBC Sport has learned the pair are convinced the deal is imminent.

The package is expected to help the American duo repay money borrowed for their £218.9m takeover in March 2007.

It will also go towards signing new players in the summer, as well as to finance work on a redesigned new stadium in Stanley Park.

Hicks and Gillett were the target of crowd demonstrations from Liverpool supporters unhappy with their regime during Monday's televised game against Aston Villa, with banners calling for DIC to mount a bid for control.

But Hicks, in particular, has remained defiant in the face of protests and insisted he had no intention of selling his 50% share in the club.

"I've not received any offer to purchase the club from DIC or anyone else, much less accepted any such offer," Hicks said on Monday.

It remains to be seen whether DIC, the investment arm of the Dubai government, will now pull out of a proposed bid to take control at Anfield, with the refinancing package unlikely to clear all the clouds of uncertainty over the club.

Some City sources believe the new deal, and its interest payments, will only be a financial "sticking plaster" and DIC will wait to see if there are further problems for Hicks and Gillett while maintaining an interest in buying Liverpool.

Liverpool decided to sell to Hicks and Gillett instead of DIC in March 2007 but the American businessmen in particular Hicks, have been criticised for the way they have run the club.

Hicks admitted to talks last November with Jurgen Klinsmann about the German taking over from Rafael Benitez as manager.

The owners and Benitez have also had a very public spat after the Spaniard criticised their transfer policy.

If Hicks has cemented his position via the loan, Benitez's long-term prospects look bleak.


That's going to be one big loan if they get it. Let's hope the bank manager is a Liverpool fan :lol:
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redscouser Liverpool
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Hopefully the bank will tell them where to shove it and the Arabs can then takeover.
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Berethorn Liverpool
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An interesting point that: what grounds could the RBS give for refusing the loan, even if the guarantees are made? I mean they would know there's another buyer waiting in the wings, but could they be open to accusations of engineering a forced takeover themselves?
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chilli sauce Liverpool
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good article in the guardian (its a newspaper for those of us not teachers or homosexuals :whistle: ) explains the financing in detail. we are jiggered kids. basically they can make us pay the interest, loans can be easily put onto the club, the two of them have not spent any cash (well very little in comparison). they and the banks feel that the club can generate more income or can be sold for a higher profit later by securing the loan have no need to sell to DIC. also there is the new story about hicks wanting to use profits generated by lpool to fund his hockey (?) team :boobs: tits up time
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Gerrard You Diver Son
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Why don't you lot wait and see what G&H do before jumping to conclusions and stage protests at every single home game. Will if you can call insulting most Americans with "witty" homemade banners a protest.

When these guys took over you lot were kissing their arses and lauding them for all they were worth, especially when they signed Torres for you and spent the other millions on other players.

Let's forget all this recouping funds & net spend shite. Whenever you lot talk about Chelsea's spends you quote the figure spent, but when it suits you the money coming back into the club becomes a massive factor. I've seen it on here time & again.

Yes they have had to refinance and yes they never said this would happen, but if this change of plan had to be made, why not let them explain why before you all become financial whizkids and plot the downfall of Liverpool.
If this is neccessary in order to get you a first class team to finally challenge us other three, and gets you this top stadium to play in, so long as it doesn't go wrong, what is the problem?

G&H are two top businessmen (I remember some on the old FM lot stating so when they took over) and don't make their millions from being idiots so they must know what they are doing.

These guys gave Rafa the money he had wanted in the summer and bought the players he wanted, to get the squad he wanted. Thanks to his constant tinkering Liverpool were behind the pack by mid-October, Rafa comes out and says he needs more money for more players!
Now how does that look to the new owners? I know if it were me I would have my doubts on the credibility of the manager, despite his record, so I don't blame them for looking around if it protects the long term plan.

SO why doesn't someone actually say what the real problem is and that the results of the team are the fault of the team & the manager?
Why not do this instead of the captain coming out saying "the continued specualtion isn't helping us"? They are professional footballers, get on with it!

I have not seen one person have the balls to say on here that Liverpool's failings on the pitch are solely down to Rafa & the players. Instead you want to hide behind two millionaires who know the business world, taking out a loan when they said they weren't going to.

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Jan 23 2008, 12:55 PM
Why don't you lot wait and see what G&H do before jumping to conclusions and stage protests at every single home game. Will if you can call insulting most Americans with "witty" homemade banners a protest.

When these guys took over you lot were kissing their arses and lauding them for all they were worth, especially when they signed Torres for you and spent the other millions on other players.

Let's forget all this recouping funds & net spend shite. Whenever you lot talk about Chelsea's spends you quote the figure spent, but when it suits you the money coming back into the club becomes a massive factor. I've seen it on here time & again.

Yes they have had to refinance and yes they never said this would happen, but if this change of plan had to be made, why not let them explain why before you all become financial whizkids and plot the downfall of Liverpool.
If this is neccessary in order to get you a first class team to finally challenge us other three, and gets you this top stadium to play in, so long as it doesn't go wrong, what is the problem?

G&H are two top businessmen (I remember some on the old FM lot stating so when they took over) and don't make their millions from being idiots so they must know what they are doing.

These guys gave Rafa the money he had wanted in the summer and bought the players he wanted, to get the squad he wanted. Thanks to his constant tinkering Liverpool were behind the pack by mid-October, Rafa comes out and says he needs more money for more players!
Now how does that look to the new owners? I know if it were me I would have my doubts on the credibility of the manager, despite his record, so I don't blame them for looking around if it protects the long term plan.

SO why doesn't someone actually say what the real problem is and that the results of the team are the fault of the team & the manager?
Why not do this instead of the captain coming out saying "the continued specualtion isn't helping us"? They are professional footballers, get on with it!

I have not seen one person have the balls to say on here that Liverpool's failings on the pitch are solely down to Rafa & the players. Instead you want to hide behind two millionaires who know the business world, taking out a loan when they said they weren't going to.

the prob is mate they havent spent any of their money yet on players or stadium etc and for successful businessmen hicks has gone bust before . The main problem is the fact they have gone back on their words that they gave when they took over so at the moment people dont trust them . They said they would never put the debts onto the club yet they are going too . they said they would get stadium sorted and they havent. said they would buy whoever rafa wants and they havent. When man utd went thru their takeover it effected them on the pitch - its only natural it happens, yeah some of the players arent performing very well and the manager made a few changes he shouldnt have at the beginning but since around october players like torres and gerrard have started every single league game. the other two 3 managers change their team just as much as rafa does . the players need to play better, the owners need to back both the manager publicly and financially or leave.

and as for witty banners do we need to bring up the little chelsea fans created by the club ?

Its easy for you to spot all this when you have your own personal sugar daddy who doesnt care the fact you run at a loss every year.
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See this is just my point.

Let's start with the stadium. Have you ever known anything being built to happen at an instant? The planning alone for Wembley took 12 months plus to put in place. These guys have been with you for six.

As for the banners. Never once did I mention Chelsea in my post so why do I find myself talking about them now? Isn't this deaviating from the subject in hand a bit & not for the first time?

I was reffering solely to Liverpool. My comment was based on certain banners in the Liverpool crowd that were not football related and solely used as a dig at America. Talk about biting the hand....

And given you admission you would love to have a Roman at your club, don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to call him a sugar daddy? Roman is no mug, hence he is a billionaire. Chelsea is an investment to him and both he & Chelsea fans see it as a long term investment.
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Its easy for you to spot all this when you have your own personal sugar daddy who doesnt care the fact you run at a loss every year.

I cant deny that it's nice to have an owner who cares more about the resluts on the pitch than how much money he makes (or loses) bringing success to the club. ;)
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Jan 23 2008, 02:17 PM
El Nino
Jan 23 2008, 01:03 PM
Its easy for you to spot all this when you have your own personal sugar daddy who doesnt care the fact you run at a loss every year.

I cant deny that it's nice to have an owner who cares more about the resluts on the pitch than how much money he makes (or loses) bringing success to the club. ;)

A-fucking-men.

Not my money - who cares?! :lmao:
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Gerrard You Diver Son
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Jan 23 2008, 02:20 PM
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Jan 23 2008, 02:17 PM
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Jan 23 2008, 01:03 PM
Its easy for you to spot all this when you have your own personal sugar daddy who doesnt care the fact you run at a loss every year.

I cant deny that it's nice to have an owner who cares more about the resluts on the pitch than how much money he makes (or loses) bringing success to the club. ;)

A-fucking-men.

Not my money - who cares?! :lmao:

At the end of the day it's still an investment for Roman and he didn't make hims money by chucking his money away

But I agree on all the points above :whistle:
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Jan 23 2008, 01:15 PM
See this is just my point.

Let's start with the stadium. Have you ever known anything being built to happen at an instant? The planning alone for Wembley took 12 months plus to put in place. These guys have been with you for six.

As for the banners. Never once did I mention Chelsea in my post so why do I find myself talking about them now? Isn't this deaviating from the subject in hand a bit & not for the first time?

I was reffering solely to Liverpool. My comment was based on certain banners in the Liverpool crowd that were not football related and solely used as a dig at America. Talk about biting the hand....

And given you admission you would love to have a Roman at your club, don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to call him a sugar daddy? Roman is no mug, hence he is a billionaire. Chelsea is an investment to him and both he & Chelsea fans see it as a long term investment.

This is what happens when you critize how liverpool fans support their club . how they go about it is their own business , i didnt think the chanting all the way thru the match was good would of rather seen support for the players . as for hand that feeds us they havent fed us anything yet , gone back on what they promised. had to change their plans for the stadium numerous times now due to the fact they cant afford it .

when is the investment going to start producing a profit then instead of massive losses every year for chelsea due to massive transfer fees and massive wages ?

Liverpool want to see some sort of positive return from the owners and some backing not offering his job to Klinsmann who is totally unproven . that sort of behavoiur is bloody awful . let rafa loose with transfer fees - enable him to spend along the likes of yourself and man utd so he can get more than just the one 20 mil player . our record fee for a defender is 6 mil yours is 20odd mil man utd is 30 mil . for a midfielder it is 10 mil yours is 20 plus same again with man utd striker record fee is 22 mil yours is 30 mil same again with man utd . can you see the difference there ? if rafa could spend that sort of money on a few players not just the one then maybe we could be up there with you .

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Unsuprisingly Phil you are missing the point.

I am not criitzing the support of Liverpool football club, I am stating that the protests were more aimed at generally at American's rather than the owners.

The same owners who backed the manager in the transfer market and promised a new stadium.

Yet they are beign critized by the liverpool supporters by how they do it.
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Jan 23 2008, 02:03 PM
They said they would never put the debts onto the club yet they are going too . they said they would get stadium sorted and they havent. said they would buy whoever rafa wants and they havent.

What people say and what people do are two fantastically different things Phil. You do know what this is called don't you? Life. Everyone apart from Liverpool fans basking in the glory of having being bought out by two Americans with no idea of what these guys were actually about, could see that they were going to secure the debt against the club. How else could they have done it?

They did say that they would get the stadium sorted, but what, how long have they been there? Six months? A year? It's not as if one day you decide that you want a stadium and the next construction is underway. That's an incredibly naive way of looking at it. Remember the derision which the Glazers were afforded by their fans? Now look at them, title winners with an even greater amount of debt and having expanded their stadium immensely.

Not buying the players that Rafa wants? Who, on the list of Rafa that you have exclusive access to, haven't Liverpool bought? They wanted Torres, they got him. They wanted others, they got them. This stuff about not spending anything in January is absolute bollocks - you bought that Skrtel bloke for about £6m - what sense does it make for the Americans to sanction a transfer for £6m then refuse on that's free (Kaladze, wasn't it?)?

The way your club is being run at the moment is pathetic, and it stems from idiot fans with the same attitude as yourself now trying to tart themselves to a loaded Arab. Weren't they met with disgust when they first tried to take over? When will you learn that instant success is not achievable? When will you learn that Rafa Benitez is not the man to win you the league? When will you learn that it is not H+G's fault and when will you learn that BV was right all along?
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When will you learn that it is not H+G's fault and when will you learn that BV was right all along?

ooooh SNAP :lmao:
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Jan 23 2008, 01:28 PM
When will you learn that it is not H+G's fault and when will you learn that BV was right all along?

ooooh SNAP :lmao:

Excuse me I'm having a memory block. Who is BV?
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Unsuprisingly Phil you are missing the point.

I am not criitzing the support of Liverpool football club, I am stating that the protests were more aimed at generally at American's rather than the owners.

The same owners who backed the manager in the transfer market and promised a new stadium.

Yet they are beign critized by the liverpool supporters by how they do it.

yet lots of the protests were aimed at hicks and G and they are pretty much backed up by every fan and even ex players and managers are saying the same thing , the way they are running the club is awful at the moment and for liverpool fans it is unacceptable . yes they promised to back the manager so he wants the masher deal done and they dont , he wants to get some transfers sorted in nov dec and they dont. People are also reading reports that hicks will use assests and money from liverpool to help strngthen his baseball or hockey team in the states . Liverpool fans want the best for their club pretty much every fan does want for their club . and im pretty sure if chelsea fans were in the exact same situation as we are you would act the same , remember the way you all reacted when they sacked jose . yes they may produce results down the line but at the moment liverpool fans cant see anythihng positive coming from then and the last straw was learning about rafas job being offered to klinsman .
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When will you learn that it is not H+G's fault and when will you learn that BV was right all along?

ooooh SNAP :lmao:

Excuse me I'm having a memory block. Who is BV?

someone who used to post on the old fm , used to just stir up stuff then disappear , would appear every time someone negative happened with liverpool and wouldnt answer anything when anything negative about chelsea appeared . supposedly a wife of another chelsea poster . most of the time just spouted rubbish to wind people up but not to the levels of disgust like her supposed hubby or a few others from both sides . this place better without her.
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Jan 23 2008, 02:43 PM
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Jan 23 2008, 01:28 PM
When will you learn that it is not H+G's fault and when will you learn that BV was right all along?

ooooh SNAP :lmao:

Excuse me I'm having a memory block. Who is BV?

someone who used to post on the old fm , used to just stir up stuff then disappear , would appear every time someone negative happened with liverpool and wouldnt answer anything when anything negative about chelsea appeared . supposedly a wife of another chelsea poster . most of the time just spouted rubbish to wind people up but not to the levels of disgust like her supposed hubby or a few others from both sides . this place better without her.

I know of whom you speak.

Is this more a case of you lot not liking what she posted whether it was right or wrong? To my knowledge FM was pretty much a Pool board for a long time and BV was pretty much on her own, so it sounds to me that she was one blue voice amongst many red.

I gave FM a miss for a long long while when we were given Carefree and then had it taken away. The reason we were given for this was for a supposed raid by the Chelsea lot that was never going to happen. I know it was a no goer as I was privvy to the conversations and most of it was just that talk.

Certain people still believe that to be the case from here, but take it from me it was all tongue in cheek & their actions by instantly banning a large number of Chelsea posters as well as shutting the forum they created without explanation, lost them a number of people who would use this forum now.

There were loads of us "involved" but only certain individuals got banned.
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Jan 23 2008, 02:35 PM
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Jan 23 2008, 01:28 PM
When will you learn that it is not H+G's fault and when will you learn that BV was right all along?

ooooh SNAP :lmao:

Excuse me I'm having a memory block. Who is BV?

someone who used to post on the old fm , used to just stir up stuff then disappear , would appear every time someone negative happened with liverpool and wouldnt answer anything when anything negative about chelsea appeared . supposedly a wife of another chelsea poster . most of the time just spouted rubbish to wind people up but not to the levels of disgust like her supposed hubby or a few others from both sides . this place better without her.

I know of whom you speak.

Is this more a case of you lot not liking what she posted whether it was right or wrong? To my knowledge FM was pretty much a Pool board for a long time and BV was pretty much on her own, so it sounds to me that she was one blue voice amongst many red.

I gave FM a miss for a long long while when we were given Carefree and then had it taken away. The reason we were given for this was for a supposed raid by the Chelsea lot that was never going to happen. I know it was a no goer as I was privvy to the conversations and most of it was just that talk.

Certain people still believe that to be the case from here, but take it from me it was all tongue in cheek & their actions by instantly banning a large number of Chelsea posters as well as shutting the forum they created without explanation, lost them a number of people who would use this forum now.

There were loads of us "involved" but only certain individuals got banned.

I think it was just her obsession for liverpool , she never posted about chelsea ever and spent the whole time posting negative stuff about liverpool yet ignoring stuff about chelsea . was basically a wum .

I didnt set this place up so no idea why some arent allowed on here but i know there is some that im glad arent on here due to a lot of disgusting stuff that they have mentioned before but there is also pool fans that arent allowed on here due to wind ups on previous boards . every club has their small number of pricks and idiots and its no different on a message board , im quite happy to chat to a fan from any club as long as they dont reach to disguting levels to win some point ie hillsboro etc .

I also remember the whole thing about carefree closing and im pretty sure wether it was just an empty threat or idle threat invision wouldnt of taken it lightly to see a memeber of one of thier boards threaten to flood another board with viruses to crash it . maybe a joke but s bloody stupid one and the owner of the board was prob right to get it of his hands . There is loads of chelsea fans registered on the liverpool website that ex fm posters use to just sit and watch and report back yet none on the chelsea one ? why is that ? why are some of them so obsessed with our club and what people say ? been shown some of things that has been said and spend half the time slagging off liverpool with the whole dippers and murderers etc where as liverpool spend most of the time talking about liverpool ? seems weird to me that some posters seem more concerned with slagging off other clubs instead of talking about there own.
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ok i will try to put some perspective on it.

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