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Opinions. adivce, experiences..; Supercharger or Turbo...
Topic Started: Oct 9 2004, 03:49 AM (1,267 Views)
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Guys...

Anyone have either installed?

I am able to get a Greddy Turbo kit or a Blitz Supercharger kit.

Which one is going to give me best performance?
Which one is going to give me best Torque?
Which one is going to give me hassle in the future?

Also, what other work will be required to fit either? clutch i know, but internals, fuel pump etc..

I'm getting good deal on either, so i i need YOUR help to help me deciede!


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Mr Singh,Oct 9 2004
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Guys...

Anyone have either installed?

I am able to get a Greddy Turbo kit or a Blitz Supercharger kit.

Which one is going to give me best performance?
Which one is going to give me best Torque?
Which one is going to give me hassle in the future?

Also, what other work will be required to fit either? clutch i know, but internals, fuel pump etc..

I'm getting good deal on either, so i i need YOUR help to help me deciede!


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Have you checked these out yet?

Power Enterprise SC kit.
http://www.power-enterprise.co.jp/main/car...tezza/index.htm

HKS Altezza Special Turbo kit.
http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/turbo/...za/altezza.html

The Power Enterprise SC kit doesn't include any fuel/ignition ecu & is a plug & play kit. However, I suggest that you do get some kind of aftermarlet ecu, like the Apexi Power FC.

The HKS Turbo kit is a very comprehensive kit & will require fuel system upgrades & a aftermarket ecu (Not included). There are 2 different turbos to choose from. I you decide on the larger turbo; the GT-RS, you will need stronger internals.

With both of these, a stronger clutch would be prudent.
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Thanks for that. The HKS item is nearly 2 times the cost for which i am getting the Greddy turbo for.

The Power Enterprise, i've never seen before! are there any response graphs about? or price for that matter :)

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The Greddy is the cheapest kit & is good for about 180whp without the intercooler.
I used to have this kit & I paid roughly 1100GBP for the kit & 550GBP for the optional intercooler.

The HKS kit is a 'pro' level kit with included intercooler, bigger injectors, ball bearing turbo etc; quite different league.

The Power E kit is pretty new & it uses the Rotrax SC, which uses friction wheels to drive a turbo compressor to 100k rpms. I haven't seen any graphs but it does claim to give about 245PS at the crank. The price is 439k Yen.
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Ok thanks again for that.

In your experience did the greedy turbo give the performance you expected?

I am stuck between the Greedy and Blitz Supercharger kit! But want best torque and performance!
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The Greddy performance was good for the price. The turbo will be good for another 30 whp or so.

The Blitz SC is at least half again as much more than the Greddy turbo kit right? And you'll need to develop a new driving technique if you do get the Blitz. The You'll need to seen your stock ECU to Blitz Japan for modification. They add in a triggering circuit for the stuercharger, which turns on & off with a tump. It is either 'On' or 'Off'. Very annoying, unless you adapt your driving technique.
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while we are on the topic. I dont have boost planned for my car at the moment but i might be pursuaded to get the power enterprise in the future.

Do you have any info on it in english? Does power enterprise make their own intercooler kit for it? I want 200ft/lb of torque at least so i can actually get a proper power over drift in 2nd gear (at the moment its a combination of trail braking and steering, then once im sliding i can modulate the throttle for short drifts).

What boost does the power enterprise Sc kit provide?
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The Greddy performance was good for the price. The turbo will be good for another 30 whp or so.

The Blitz SC is at least half again as much more than the Greddy turbo kit right? And you'll need to develop a new driving technique if you do get the Blitz. The You'll need to seen your stock ECU to Blitz Japan for modification. They add in a triggering circuit for the stuercharger, which turns on & off with a tump. It is either 'On' or 'Off'. Very annoying, unless you adapt your driving technique.

Well at present i can get the Greedy for £2000 with Emanage, or the Blitz SC kit for £2200.

I don't need to sent the ECU to Japan, We have very different fuel here in the UK and fully trained Blitz programmers here.

When you say change driving style, what do you mean exactly?

Currently my foot is normally planted to the floor, it just hasn't got the torque or pull below 5k, and i am beginning to hate it! :(
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Sirnixalot,Oct 12 2004
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while we are on the topic. I dont have boost planned for my car at the moment but i might be pursuaded to get the power enterprise in the future.

Do you have any info on it in english? Does power enterprise make their own intercooler kit for it? I want 200ft/lb of torque at least so i can actually get a proper power over drift in 2nd gear (at the moment its a combination of trail braking and steering, then once im sliding i can modulate the throttle for short drifts).

What boost does the power enterprise Sc kit provide?

No English info that I know of, I'm afraid.

Don't think they offer an intercooler kit. I didn't see it on their site.

Boost is 0.45 bar.
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The Greddy performance was good for the price. The turbo will be good for another 30 whp or so.

The Blitz SC is at least half again as much more than the Greddy turbo kit right? And you'll need to develop a new driving technique if you do get the Blitz. The  You'll need to seen your stock ECU to Blitz Japan for modification. They add in a triggering circuit for the stuercharger, which turns on & off with a tump. It is either 'On' or 'Off'. Very annoying, unless you adapt your driving technique.

Well at present i can get the Greedy for £2000 with Emanage, or the Blitz SC kit for £2200.

I don't need to sent the ECU to Japan, We have very different fuel here in the UK and fully trained Blitz programmers here.

When you say change driving style, what do you mean exactly?

Currently my foot is normally planted to the floor, it just hasn't got the torque or pull below 5k, and i am beginning to hate it! :(

Your stock ecu needs to be sent back to Japan because they need to fit in a special circuit to control the supercharger. In the process, they also remove the speed limiter & raise your rev cut to 8500 rpm! Unless specfically trained by Blitz, I don't thik your Blitz programmers are qualified to do such a mod.

The Blitz modified ecu will trigger the SC to turn on at 30% TPI coupled with a certain injector duty cycle. Drive with a soft foot & everythig will be smooth as the SC won't turn on. Drive with a lead foot, the SC will kick in, you have a constant stream of powerand so no problem. The problem starts when you drive somewhere around the 30% TPI mark. If you don't get it right, the SC will constantly be turning of; turning off; on; off... Well you get the idea. Its kinda like having a stutter in the flow of NO2 to your engine; very irritating. The clutch on the SC is similar to the one on the a/c compressor, it is either on or off & nothing in between.

You'll love the "Kick" of the SC, but in the long run, I think the turbo is more reliable and it is quieter to boot.

If you do decide to get the Greddy turbo, there is a critical piece of info I'll need to share with you. It concerns a part that is included in the kit that you need to modify before usage.

Oh BTW, the Greddy turbo kit does come with a pre-programmed e-Manage as part of the kit. You did know this right??
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Many thanks for that!

Looks like i'm leaning towards the Greedy then. I want Relibilty, and economy too!! I've been told the SC will consume more fuel than the Turbo due to the fact the turbo will use gas's and convert them (iirc!!)

Yes, i heard that the e-manage is pre-programmed..

What kind or torque (ff/lbs) and power (bhp) can i expect? I can't find any power/torque graphs on before after of the Greedy Turbo!

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:ph43r: im not meaning to thread jack by anymeans but i have similar questions to you :ph43r:

can you get any pix of the PE's intake and SC-throttle body piping?
Can you get higher boost pulleys for it?

Basically i want to modify a greddy IC kit or get a custom one made up for it and run 0.6-0.7 bar



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Mr Singh,Oct 12 2004
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Many thanks for that!

Looks like i'm leaning towards the Greedy then. I want Relibilty, and economy too!! I've been told the SC will consume more fuel than the Turbo due to the fact the turbo will use gas's and convert them (iirc!!)

Yes, i heard that the e-manage is pre-programmed..

What kind or torque (ff/lbs) and power (bhp) can i expect? I can't find any power/torque graphs on before after of the Greedy Turbo!

Economy? Hehe, you'll find it hard to keep your foot off the pedal!!

Without the intercooler, about 180 whp & about 160 ft/lbs.

The only website who did have some graphs from a Dynojet, closed last year. :(
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Sirnixalot,Oct 12 2004
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:ph43r: im not meaning to thread jack by anymeans but i have similar questions to you :ph43r:

can you get any pix of the PE's intake and SC-throttle body piping?
Can you get higher boost pulleys for it?

Basically i want to modify a greddy IC kit or get a custom one made up for it and run 0.6-0.7 bar

No pics aside from what's at the PE website. The output from the SC is routed directly into the throtttlebody and you'll have to machine your own pulleys.

See this for more info on Rotrex superchargers. With the correct pulley, these can run up to 2 bar I think.

http://www.rotrex.eu.com/
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Mr Singh,Oct 12 2004
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Many thanks for that!

Looks like i'm leaning towards the Greedy then. I want Relibilty, and economy too!! I've been told the SC will consume more fuel than the Turbo due to the fact the turbo will use gas's and convert them (iirc!!)

Yes, i heard that the e-manage is pre-programmed..

What kind or torque (ff/lbs) and power (bhp) can i expect? I can't find any power/torque graphs on before after of the Greedy Turbo!

Economy? Hehe, you'll find it hard to keep your foot off the pedal!!

Without the intercooler, about 180 whp & about 160 ft/lbs.

The only website who did have some graphs from a Dynojet, closed last year. :(

Wow.

The Altezza has 'sucks balls' torque if it only goes upto 160ft/lb of torque :huh: But the turbo Will make a very noticeable difference right?

Lets say, anything has to be cheaper than nos!! refills are around £50 a hit! ($100 US)

I think the kit i am getting has the intercooler too..



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Oh yeah, major difference!

Is yor car a MT or AT?
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Manual.

Found some stuff over here -

http://worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_lp=J...l&wl_g_table=-3

Big link, may have to copy and paste!
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man......why is the PE kit so expensive and you dont even get an IC.

I wonder if i can find one used.

Got pix of the greddy IC piping? Im sure the kit could be easily modified ot work with the PE supercharger...just need to change the hot pipe (IC pipe between the IC and super charger)

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Sirnixalot,Oct 13 2004
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man......why is the PE kit so expensive and you dont even get an IC.

I wonder if i can find one used.

Got pix of the greddy IC piping? Im sure the kit could be easily modified ot work with the PE supercharger...just need to change the hot pipe (IC pipe between the IC and super charger)

The Rotrex is new technology and is supposed to be head & shoulders better than most other types of superchargers.

A used one? Nah! Anyways, I'll be fighting you for it. :lol:

I still do have my Greddy intercooler in my car, but I'm overseas on work till the mid of Nov. Yep, you'll just need the hot pipe; not too hard to do.
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Mr Singh,Oct 13 2004
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Manual.

Found some stuff over here -

http://worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_lp=J...l&wl_g_table=-3

Big link, may have to copy and paste!

Manual? Phew! Cos the Greddy TC kit doesn't work well with AT cars.
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Big link, may have to copy and paste!

Manual? Phew! Cos the Greddy TC kit doesn't work well with AT cars. [/QUOTE]
thats cause auto cars....SUCK!
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Sirnixalot,Oct 14 2004
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thats cause auto cars....SUCK!

No Shit!! :lol:
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ive got some more questions LOL

what is the greddy manifold flanged for? I would love to beable to slap a 16g on there, better yet the new Evo MR turbo...titanium wheels yum yum

ive never liked greddy turbos because they were always lacking the response that garrett turbos can provide.

I would rather build my own turbo kit but i am unsure of anyone producing just a manifold flanged for a T-25 turbo

must not boost it must not boost it :lol:
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Sirnixalot,Oct 14 2004
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ive got some more questions LOL

what is the greddy manifold flanged for?  I would love to beable to slap a 16g on there, better yet the new Evo MR turbo...titanium wheels yum yum

ive never liked greddy turbos because they were always lacking the response that garrett turbos can provide. 

I would rather build my own turbo kit but i am unsure of anyone producing just a manifold flanged for a T-25 turbo

must not boost it must not boost it  :lol:

The turbo in the Greddy kit is a TD04-16T. The compressor side is dinky, but the turbine is pretty large; a 0.82AR I'd say.

I'm not sure, but I think the TD04 flange is the same as the T-25 one? A good turbo to use on a almost stock engine would be the HKS GT-SS. Dual ball bearing & the latest wheel technology. I was quoted US$1400 by my shop.

I think Amuse makes one, but it costs mucho $$.
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How much could i expect to gain in terms of torque (ft/Ib) with the HKS turbo kit instead of Greedy?
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