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Using The Altezza For 2am Street Drift
Topic Started: Oct 25 2007, 06:31 PM (432 Views)
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Just wondering how much abuse my baby can take...

Took her out last nite @ around 2am to a well known 'drift spot' and went loose. Had her full on sideways, 360's etc.

I've heard these engines drop valves which cant be good, but, how much will it take before things start crapping out?

Will the engine take the occasional valve-bounce or continuous hard revving (360's)?
Will the gearbox handle dropped clutches and flat changing?
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Please don't post this sort of thing, it's a public forum and we aren't out to look as though we support or encourage any kind of illegal activity.

If you want to go out and deliberately destroy a perfectly good, very expensive car that's entirely up to you but you won't impress anyone on these forums.
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Leiden,Oct 25 2007
06:31 PM
Just wondering how much abuse my baby can take...

Took her out last nite @ around 2am to a well known 'drift spot' and went loose. Had her full on sideways, 360's etc.

I've heard these engines drop valves which cant be good, but, how much will it take before things start crapping out?

Will the engine take the occasional valve-bounce or continuous hard revving (360's)?
Will the gearbox handle dropped clutches and flat changing?

:angry: if you like to speed and do stupid things please take it on the track.
as i know lives which was lose because of dangerous drivers.
please think about others which is driving on the road at that time.

thanks
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Took her out last nite @ around 2am to a well known 'drift spot'


You don't actually say if the drift spot was a public street or an actual drift track, but 2am in the morning street drift, keep it on the track.

Either way not impressed, need to consider other people and have some respect for the Altezza Club
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Its not a public area at all! Its an old abandoned factory area with a large tar-seal carpark. I have spoken with the owner and have got a key for a locked gate, which leads to the tar-seal.

I'm not some stupid ricer doing it right down the main street of town, I was in an isolated area with no public access except via contact with the owner.

Too many chiefs yeash...
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the cars can take a beating mate but like any car bouncing it off the limiter cant be good altough i do occasionaly have a session on the skid pan lol i found when i was doing a quick burnout on the quarter mile to warm the tyre's up that if u rev it to much it will cut the car out completely, at all means the jap beams engine are v-strong but dont take it to far as something will happen and its not cheap to sort trust me as iv had to change the engine in mines , cheers
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Must be a pretty "well known" drift spot if you need a "key to a locked gate" to get in there....
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let us know how it goes when you drop a valve or two ;)
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Leiden,Oct 25 2007
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Its not a public area at all! Its an old abandoned factory area with a large tar-seal carpark. I have spoken with the owner and have got a key for a locked gate, which leads to the tar-seal.

I'm not some stupid ricer doing it right down the main street of town, I was in an isolated area with no public access except via contact with the owner.

Too many chiefs yeash...

good boy :P
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Must be a pretty "well known" drift spot if you need a "key to a locked gate" to get in there....


Its well known because its away from any residential property, its in a controlled environment with no public access, and you give the guy $50 bucks and get a key. There's often competitions down there, again, controlled and moderated.

Sarcasm is for retards by the way...

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let us know how it goes when you drop a valve or two


I plan not to drop a valve, I dont go out every night, it was just that once in a blue moon thing, its my new car, and its good to find out how it handles in extreme circumstances. Helps you get a feel for the vehicles handling and braking ability. Overall I was impressed.

Also, is the limiter in the Altezza a soft or hard cut?
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Then consider me a retard mate....
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if the limiter is same in the IS, its pretty soft.

get out there and go nuts, they're solid cars and if anything breaks its easy to fix up in kiwiland with your cheap parts over there! As long as its in a private place and you dont hurt anyone its all good
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Hmmm... you wouldn't like to organise a club meet on that??? :D

I wouldn't place too many bets on the gearbox, if Lexus reckon it won't handle an IS300.

Saying that, I haven't heard of anyone blowing one up on here.

I don't mind running up over 7000rpm overtaking someone, but I wouldn't feel good holding the revs up there...

Look at it this way, you've got so many revolutions in an engine's life, and the faster you use them up the shorter time the engine will last! :P

Go get some skinny rear tyres, or those rock-hard Chinese ones!
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Ive known of somebody (not me) stripping the drive spline, doing a burnout...
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Many years ago we imported a close-ratio box from Nissan Japan for the rally car- cost a fortune!

The car went in for an exhaust, and when we picked it up they said the gearbox broke driving it up on the ramps... Yeah right!

The input shaft had snapped, so we had it welded and caned the car in practice.. wheelies, burnouts, everything..

Of course on the night it in snapped in stage two when we landed in 5th gear after lifting off a little over a yump... The engine doesn't produce as much torque when launching into wheelspin as it does at high revs/high speed and sudden loading...

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greeneyes,Oct 26 2007
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Hmmm... you wouldn't like to organise a club meet on that??? :D

I wouldn't place too many bets on the gearbox, if Lexus reckon it won't handle an IS300.

Saying that, I haven't heard of anyone blowing one up on here.

I don't mind running up over 7000rpm overtaking someone, but I wouldn't feel good holding the revs up there...

Look at it this way, you've got so many revolutions in an engine's life, and the faster you use them up the shorter time the engine will last! :P

Go get some skinny rear tyres, or those rock-hard Chinese ones!

as long as the water and oil temps dont get too high, bounce it off limiter for as long as you want.

*granted doing burnouts and skids you could only sit there for 30 seconds before a radiator hose goes bang :D*
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takes a lot to get a burnout in the is200
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beerbaron,Oct 26 2007
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takes a lot to get a burnout in the is200

Nah, just full steering lock, 1st gear, redline + drop the clutch, guarantee that'll do the trick ;-)

My tyres are far too expensive for that kind of carry on though...
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Go to www.streetfire.net Search,Altezza drift in Moskow. Quite long winded vid but the goo coming out from under the car at the end doesent look good. The only thing I can understand in the commentry are the words Altezza Club.
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I want to get some crappy 15's and use them for practice, after all the Altezza is the new AE86...

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I wouldn't place too many bets on the gearbox, if Lexus reckon it won't handle an IS300.

Saying that, I haven't heard of anyone blowing one up on here.

Didnt someone drop a valve and had to get a whole new motor? Ahh 'Mikeynz' thats the one...

I wonder about the gearbox though, maybe they thought it was just too hard to have to recast the J160 with a 2JZ Series bell housing? Isnt Lexus about class rather than performance? If that was the case then would an Auto would seem more 'old rich people friendly' than a manual?

Mind you the 2JZ has a heckload more torque than the 3SGE and from what I've gathered its the torque that will kill a box rather than horsepower
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Then consider me a retard mate....

Its all cool man, I can understand where you were coming from,
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granted doing burnouts and skids you could only sit there for 30 seconds before a radiator hose goes bang

Are you serious, would it actually do that?
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Leiden,Oct 26 2007
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Are you serious, would it actually do that?

Only if the radiator cap failed to vent. Doing burnouts builds a huge amount of heat in the engine and there's no airflow to help get rid of it. The fans can only help to a point.

Keep an eye on your temp gauge, it'd be a heavy car to push home at 1600kg ;-)
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Only if the radiator cap failed to vent. Doing burnouts builds a huge amount of heat in the engine and there's no airflow to help get rid of it. The fans can only help to a point.

Keep an eye on your temp gauge, it'd be a heavy car to push home at 1600kg ;-)


Ok yeah that makes sense, no forward motion then no air over the motor. I did monitor the temp and it worked up to just a little over half way. I was drifting in about 30 seccond sessions (had a comp with a silvia -- which creamed up)

1600kg? You must be referring to the IS200? The Altezza is only 1360kg, still I wouldnt like to be pushing anything home haha... especially my baby!
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Leiden,Oct 26 2007
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1600kg? You must be referring to the IS200? The Altezza is only 1360kg

On paper maybe. Take a trip to a weigh bridge, you'll get a shock.

Burnouts/skidz are all well and good, but if you want to learn about
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to find out how it handles in extreme circumstances
then get thyself to the track, my friend!

Also, engine temp is not indicative of oil temp. Best to get an oil temp gauge if you are concerned about engine life under heavy load.

To be honest, engine /driveline stresses are generally highest at peak torque, not necessarily peak power. The 3SGE BEAMS, like the 1GFE, do not produce a great deal of torque. Like most Toyota's the Altezza is a pretty over-engineered package, so you shouldn't have a great deal of worries. But at the end of the day, it's like anything mechanical - treat it badly for long enough and it will have a shorter lifespan. It's all about balance at the end of the day - give it a good trashing now and then, enjoy the thing, just balance it with sensible day to day treatment and regular services/fluid changes.

As mentioned above, for skidz, the best thing you can do is setup your rear with some nice cheap/rubbish no-grip tires. Less stress on the driveline, easier to break traction. Works wonders on the IS200.
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I no of 3 altezzas that have been very much utilized for all forms of tire skidding smoking who hah and carry on. all of which have not had a single problem what so ever. Apart from of course the clutches, as everyone knows!
They have readily enjoyed bursts of rev limiting and slow speed burnouts, and have had no issues with overheating or dropping valves and still run smooth as cream.
it must be the cold as, highly oxygenated air down otago way that does it lol

Oh and by the way all of this was performed at a private venue of course!
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