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3sge Conversion
Topic Started: Feb 8 2010, 02:42 AM (1,201 Views)
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Yea I been thinking alot about this for a bit now, Its mainly cost and the fact the NSW gov is becoming very strict on emmisions. So I want to know what I need for a Beams conversion...
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Complete half-cut...

Its too easy to miss something if you try to amass all the bits one by one. Motor, gearbox, mounts, ECU, loomb, fittings like the brake booster hose stuff, radiator hoses and other bits I can't think of because I've never done it!
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Is the bell housing for the Altezza J160 the same as a 1GFE J160?
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Don't think so,

The startor on the 3SGE is on the drivers side, the startor in the 1GFE is on the passangers side, you could probably swap the entire front half of the gearbox housing without any problems?
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i'd reccomend a 2jzgte conversion.. more power..or v8... more torque
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NZandyTez,Feb 9 2010
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i'd reccomend a 2jzgte conversion.. more power..or v8... more torque

Ditto.

The 3S-GE certainly isn't the engine I'd go for if I was doing a swap, don't see the point in changing for something with pretty much exactly the same power output as a 1G-FE, just delivered in a different way...
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jeremyflower,Feb 9 2010
08:44 PM
Ditto.

The 3S-GE certainly isn't the engine I'd go for if I was doing a swap, don't see the point in changing for something with pretty much exactly the same power output as a 1G-FE, just delivered in a different way...

The buzz killer for the 2JZ/1JZ conversion is trying to find a remote shift W5x series box, or a R154/V160 gearbox in good condition and at a reasonable price, you can pick up a decent 1JZ for 1k these days
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jeremyflower,Feb 9 2010
09:44 PM
The 3S-GE certainly isn't the engine I'd go for if I was doing a swap, don't see the point in changing for something with pretty much exactly the same power output as a 1G-FE, just delivered in a different way...

The same power?? One makes 210PS & the other 160PS.

If you can get your hands on a later 3SGE then they have better emission ratings than the earlier ones but you loose about 10PS. A Power FC & tune would be another way to get better emissions.
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jeremyflower,Feb 9 2010
06:44 PM
Ditto.

The 3S-GE certainly isn't the engine I'd go for if I was doing a swap, don't see the point in changing for something with pretty much exactly the same power output as a 1G-FE, just delivered in a different way...

Thats because you obviously dont know what your talking about. There is so much more potential in a Beams then say a motor built specifically to get the user from point a to point be smoothly quietly and using little fuel, just think about it... In stock form it has the best touqe/pwr curve of any engine toyota has ever built(well Yamaha but you get the point...), better flowing head ect ect really I shouldnt need to explain the differences to a Altezza owner...

I will be putting low comp internals in while the engine is out to support big boost later on. Though some sorces of mine I can get a Beams for little over 2K that I can drop in hopefully without to many dramas or a halfcut for about 5K. Thas why I want to know whats involved from the people who have done one like who was it?? I know he is a member and had a white IS rebuilt to Altezza standars and it featured in zoom... But he got a half cut. Looks like im going to need a half cut either way :(

It seems to me to be a much more economical bolt in then say a 1JZ. IF you read some of my previous post you'll understand the 1JZ drop in was on the cards before I even bought the car. Auto isnt an option so the first step was to buy a 5K V161 thats had its frustrating set backs so untill recently the cash situation has limited me to a 2-4K R154. Then I will need to find the halfcut as finding a JZ combo with a manual is near immposible unfortunatly well not in any sort of condition anyway... Im almost considering selling the car and getting a Chaser :(
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E910,Feb 15 2010
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The same power?? One makes 210PS & the other 160PS.

210ps at the redline, or near to it. Unless you're wringing it's neck on a daily basis (which you may be, I'm not one to judge) they both have very similar power outputs.

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IS200-Winnie,Feb 15 2010
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Thats because you obviously dont know what your talking about. There is so much more potential in a Beams then say a motor built specifically to get the user from point a to point be smoothly quietly and using little fuel, just think about it... In stock form it has the best touqe/pwr curve of any engine toyota has ever built(well Yamaha but you get the point...), better flowing head ect ect really I shouldnt need to explain the differences to a Altezza owner...

Best touqe/pwr curve?
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Really dude, we are gutless up to about 3.5k rpm...

I suggest you find someone who has one in Aussie and have a drive in it. You will be disappointed. The 1G-FE would be more drivable.

The figures may look nice on paper but at the end of the day, we aren't driving light little Integras.

If you will be building the motor for boost, you'll already spend as much as a conversion anyway... Considering the gearbox can't really handle a lot of power either. Why bother with it?
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Yea hash but really it is the better motor, and I do have experience in these things in clubman style racers in stock form and they are good engines, yea they only wiegh 600Kg but still I recon it would put a 1G to shame.

Most 3S are gutless down low its the top end I live at its just my driving style. Having owned and driven many celicas from ST164's, ST185's I know then engine intimately but to get 154Kw at the crank is something special from a NA motor.
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jeremyflower,Feb 15 2010
08:25 PM
210ps at the redline, or near to it.

Come on, the power band is from 5K to redline in standard form. A 1GFE might keep up until then but after that it'd be good night Irene :P
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Exactly, you only need to look at the beautifull dyno charts to see that
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3SGE = Enthusiastic Spirited Drivers
1GFE = Shopping Trolley Drivers

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