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For Those Running Stacked Head Gaskets...
Topic Started: Apr 1 2010, 12:13 AM (2,253 Views)
Leiden
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Haha there'd still be a little work involved, basically you've got to take all the Chassis side loom right back to the Passenger Kick Panel and extend a few wires from the Fans/Airbag sensors, looms complete just would still be a bit of a mission getting it all wired/tidied up, the result is well worth it though, I must admit :P
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roman,Apr 10 2010
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I'd say it's probably more of a case of detonation caused ring lands to break, broken ringlands couldnt hold rings/piston square in the bore, bore wore unevenly until piston to crank contact occured.





my thoughts exactly!


id say its because its been "cuzzy customs" home tuned and not properly dyno tuned...................thats the impression i get about it from its build thread on here anyway.


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Maccabro,Apr 18 2010
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roman,Apr 10 2010
09:55 AM
I'd say it's probably more of a case of detonation caused ring lands to break, broken ringlands couldnt hold rings/piston square in the bore, bore wore unevenly until piston to crank contact occured.





my thoughts exactly!


id say its because its been "cuzzy customs" home tuned and not properly dyno tuned...................thats the impression i get about it from its build thread on here anyway.

Ok then, explain how the other 3 pistons were perfectly fine and showing no signs of detonation?

Also explain where there is only damage to the bore at TDC...

The tune was not to blame, AFR's were set using a LM-1 Wideband and on the safe side, Timing Map was taken from the Trust Kit Basemap (which doesn't run an intercooler anyway) so the timing curve was on the conservative side. No knock was registered on the Factory Knock Sensor, which is insanely sensitive.

So what your saying is that anyone who road tunes a vehicle isn't doing it right, a dyno is just a simulation of road tuning. In fact you can have a vehicle tuned on a dyno and drive shit on the road. The best way to tune is on road, thats where you can get real world results and drivability. Who says you can't get a tune right by doing 3rd gear pulls to redline on an empty country road, stop starting in traffic, tip in during shifts? Uh You.

People like you can sit back and judge others, but when push comes to shove do you learn anything? At least I can say that I've been there and done that, learnt alot along the way. What can you say? Uh I paid this guy to install this thingy on that shiney part over there... At least I've got the balls to give something a go.
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Leiden,Apr 19 2010
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Maccabro,Apr 18 2010
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roman,Apr 10 2010
09:55 AM
I'd say it's probably more of a case of detonation caused ring lands to break, broken ringlands couldnt hold rings/piston square in the bore, bore wore unevenly until piston to crank contact occured.





my thoughts exactly!


id say its because its been "cuzzy customs" home tuned and not properly dyno tuned...................thats the impression i get about it from its build thread on here anyway.

Ok then, explain how the other 3 pistons were perfectly fine and showing no signs of detonation?

Also explain where there is only damage to the bore at TDC...

The tune was not to blame, AFR's were set using a LM-1 Wideband and on the safe side, Timing Map was taken from the Trust Kit Basemap (which doesn't run an intercooler anyway) so the timing curve was on the conservative side. No knock was registered on the Factory Knock Sensor, which is insanely sensitive.

So what your saying is that anyone who road tunes a vehicle isn't doing it right, a dyno is just a simulation of road tuning. In fact you can have a vehicle tuned on a dyno and drive shit on the road. The best way to tune is on road, thats where you can get real world results and drivability. Who says you can't get a tune right by doing 3rd gear pulls to redline on an empty country road, stop starting in traffic, tip in during shifts? Uh You.

People like you can sit back and judge others, but when push comes to shove do you learn anything? At least I can say that I've been there and done that, learnt alot along the way. What can you say? Uh I paid this guy to install this thingy on that shiney part over there... At least I've got the balls to give something a go.

i do all the work on my car actually..... except when it comes to things i dont know about, or have enuf knowlege of. so i have plenty of balls as far as im concerned, i just dont have a huge wallet full of cash so i do things properly and only once.

i think you need to pull your horns in boy, i didnt mean it to be snarky nor was i judgeing anyone.

your threads speak for themselves anyway. end of story.


good luck with your 3sgte. -_-




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of if you are any good dyno tuner you will tune the car on the dyno and then test drive and fine tune cruse ect on the road
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Maccabro,Apr 19 2010
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i do all the work on my car actually..... except when it comes to things i dont know about, or have enuf knowlege of. so i have plenty of balls as far as im concerned, i just dont have a huge wallet full of cash so i do things properly and only once.

i think you need to pull your horns in boy, i didnt mean it to be snarky nor was i judgeing anyone.

your threads speak for themselves anyway. end of story.


good luck with your 3sgte. -_-

I knew nothing about doing a Headgasket, sure I could have paid someone but I bought an Engine Manual and gave it a go, and guess what? I still did a better job than the Mechanic you paid to do yours... :rolleyes:

At the end of the day I'm happy to do things my way... I make mistakes, you don't learn if you don't. And I'm sorry if my 'build' isn't up to your super dooper standards, fact is I don't care, at the end of the day it's me who progressed in knowledge, know's what to do right the next time.

Could I say I'd know as much now as I did if I had just gone out and paid for a bolt on kit? No.

Could I say I'd know as much about the Engine Management System as I did if I had just gone and paid someone to do it? No.

Sure I've got a blown up Altezza sitting in my back yard, and sure it probably cost twice as much... But knowledge is power and I'm glad I don't always take the easy path.
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Leiden,Apr 19 2010
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Maccabro,Apr 19 2010
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i do all the work on my car actually..... except when it comes to things i dont know about, or have enuf knowlege of. so i have plenty of balls as far as im concerned, i just dont have a huge wallet full of cash so i do things properly and only once.

i think you need to pull your horns in boy, i didnt mean it to be snarky nor was i judgeing anyone.

your threads speak for themselves anyway.  end of story.


good luck with your 3sgte. -_-

I knew nothing about doing a Headgasket, sure I could have paid someone but I bought an Engine Manual and gave it a go, and guess what? I still did a better job than the Mechanic you paid to do yours... :rolleyes:

At the end of the day I'm happy to do things my way... I make mistakes, you don't learn if you don't. And I'm sorry if my 'build' isn't up to your super dooper standards, fact is I don't care, at the end of the day it's me who progressed in knowledge, know's what to do right the next time.

Could I say I'd know as much now as I did if I had just gone out and paid for a bolt on kit? No.

Could I say I'd know as much about the Engine Management System as I did if I had just gone and paid someone to do it? No.

Sure I've got a blown up Altezza sitting in my back yard, and sure it probably cost twice as much... But knowledge is power and I'm glad I don't always take the easy path.

shit.....thats funny, i dont recall getting some mechanic to my headgasket on my altezza since ive owned it..............

thats because its never been done since ive owned it.

i dunno where u got that from.
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Okay... sketch that part, have you confused with someone else <_<

Look I'm not trying to have a go either, the whole cuzzy customs thing is a bit of an insult because I do try to do things right the first time and I'm not an expert, but hey I give it a go and the results aren't that bad.

The rest still stands, I don't like to stick to the beaten path, I like to go off track and try new things, being beamed down on because I do things different to everyone else isn't really motivating. I'm not looking to be the best, I'm just after a little appreciation :)
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go leiden we need more people like u i think u just had abit of bad luck ;)
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Shot bro, thanks for the support :)

I like to be able to help others and give some form of educated advice, even if it means they're only learning from my mistakes and misfortunes. If I don't get it right the first time the least I can do is show someone what not to do :P
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Leiden,Apr 19 2010
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If I don't get it right the first time the least I can do is show someone what not to do :P

Correct. It's all about information sharing on here :)
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Leiden,Apr 19 2010
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Okay... sketch that part, have you confused with someone else <_<

Look I'm not trying to have a go either, the whole cuzzy customs thing is a bit of an insult because I do try to do things right the first time and I'm not an expert, but hey I give it a go and the results aren't that bad.

The rest still stands, I don't like to stick to the beaten path, I like to go off track and try new things, being beamed down on because I do things different to everyone else isn't really motivating. I'm not looking to be the best, I'm just after a little appreciation :)

yes, i didnt realy think first before i put the cuzzy customs bit in....thats just my personal term for a home tuner, it meant no direspect bro. so i appologise for that.















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Maccabro,Apr 20 2010
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Leiden,Apr 19 2010
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Okay... sketch that part, have you confused with someone else <_<

Look I'm not trying to have a go either, the whole cuzzy customs thing is a bit of an insult because I do try to do things right the first time and I'm not an expert, but hey I give it a go and the results aren't that bad.

The rest still stands, I don't like to stick to the beaten path, I like to go off track and try new things, being beamed down on because I do things different to everyone else isn't really motivating. I'm not looking to be the best, I'm just after a little appreciation :)

yes, i didnt realy think first before i put the cuzzy customs bit in....thats just my personal term for a home tuner, it meant no direspect bro. so i appologise for that.

Hey its all good, I can be a bit hot headed at times :)

Anyway its water under the bridge now, or fuel in the tank, or fumes out the exhaust... however you put it everythings good in the hood B)
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shot bro. your 3sgte conversion will be interesting, ive often thought of that conversion and how it would go.
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I think you should just go all out and to a 2JZ - GTE conversion =D
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I was considering a 1JZ but the 3SGTE is a more cost effective option considering the Engine Mounts bolt up and the Gearbox / Clutch Setup, means alot less hassle trying to find a Remote Shifting W58 or R154 Gearbox then Custom Engine Mounts and all the other stuff involved...

With a bit of luck most of it should be straight forward, the hardest part will be getting the instruments/abs all working right and getting a custom front facing intake and top mounted exhaust manifold made up, then selecting the right turbo, thinking TD05HR from an Evo 4-7, want to find something close to the factory turbo so I don't need to muck around with the fueling to get it running right as MAP sensors aren't as good as MAF sensors when charge density and turbo efficiency comes into the mix, when I save up a little more it will be getting a G4 Storm or something of that calibre to run it
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It's always number 3 cylinder which craps its pants before the others.

It's the last one to get coolant, that isnt an 'end' cylnder... So runs hotter. Some fancy pants ECUs like motec etc run cylinder 3 a bit richer on their base maps for this reason.

I've got 3 pistons here that look fine and one with broken ringlands and a completely demolished looking top face and minor damage to the cylinder head... From cylinder #3.

Caused by crapload of detonation, caused by a poor tune on account of a MAP sensor conversion with a piggyback ECU that obviously wasnt doing its job all too well!

Bought it as a blown engine.

There are a few issues with standing a 3SGTE upright to run it in an Altezza, as they all came in a transverse setup from factory, tipped over.

Need a new sump and oil pickup, (Can make one from a 1S or 2S engine fit, but they dont have baffles or anything in them... Dont think Altezza ones fit.)

And you need to tap an oil drain from the head back down to the sump.
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