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"Slavebook" ?
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Topic Started: Mar 11 2011, 03:08 AM (220 Views)
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Dinah May Anderson
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Mar 11 2011, 03:08 AM
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Okay, so the masters have their club, but the slaves have nothing. In a way that is how it should be for slaves, but it might not be the best for character interaction and roleplaying.
A "Slave Club" seems out of the question to me, but what about a "virtual club", some internet social network?
How many slaves would actually have access to a computer to post on their "Slavebook" site? I can see Zack, Iliana, Jocelyn, Vivien, maybe Sophia having access. Plus a bunch of commoners and maybe Roz going there for some story material to write about in her newspaper.
It could be either an underground thing protected by a gazillion of passwords and encryptions (maybe set up by Larze) or something the masters actually monitor (while keeping their slaves in the believe they can roam freely there).
Any thoughts / ideas / flames?
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Mar 11 2011, 04:29 PM
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Great Idea...!! Larze would be the perfect excuse.
EDIT: Well, perhaps not "perfect", but good enough, and very plausible.
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Mar 12 2011, 06:24 AM
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Plausible perhaps, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder how many slaves would really know about it, if it was some underground thing set up by Larze (or someone like him). It should be open to everyone, after all. I am not yet certain at all how we can pull off a decent mix of accessibility and "no masters" use. (If that's what we will end up having.)
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Deveraux Dixon
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Mar 12 2011, 01:00 PM
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I could be very possible that it's set up but that not all slaves have access to it - I mean, if your Master makes you live in a basement and brings you plates of gruel every day, it wouldn't make sense for you to be able to access it.
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Mar 12 2011, 03:29 PM
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masters can't watch their slaves everyday so if the slave can wonder around the house then it can very well get online when the master isn't around or isn't home.
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Mar 12 2011, 03:53 PM
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Still, the problem I see is: How secure is it? If it is super secret so the masters don't learn about it, how is word about it spread through the "slave community"? It should "in game" be open to every slave who can plausibly get online, to give everyone who wants to interact there a chance to do just that. But without a certain amount of secrecy would there be a point to it? Would it make "roleplaying sense" to have such a place if the masters could access it as easily as the slaves?
The whole point of the idea was to give slaves a place to themselves, i.e. an equivalent to the Masters Club. So how can it be set up so slaves have a chance of learning about it, while still being a "master-free zone"?
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Deveraux Dixon
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Mar 12 2011, 05:38 PM
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I guess that's true.
What if...we use Larze's character for a different purpose? Say, propose that there's a "counterpart" of sorts to Albert Black in the form of a character who own a a sort of "day care" almost for slaves, where those with slaves they don't want to leave at home can be nearby while they're in the city? It's entirely possible that the establishment could have been secretly funded by Larze, but associates of his run it.
"Slavebook" access could take place in this establishment only, with private servers, encryption, etc.
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Mar 12 2011, 07:55 PM
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and just so ya know Dev you can add in the Thompson's to help get it going if needed, since they would do something like that and since they are probably the rishest family in this rp world (from age alone not just the fact that they also like to horde money). They would support it due to they like to support the freedom of slaves.
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Mar 13 2011, 01:47 AM
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What if...we use Larze's character for a different purpose? Say, propose that there's a "counterpart" of sorts to Albert Black in the form of a character who own a a sort of "day care" almost for slaves, where those with slaves they don't want to leave at home can be nearby while they're in the city? It's entirely possible that the establishment could have been secretly funded by Larze, but associates of his run it.
"Slavebook" access could take place in this establishment only, with private servers, encryption, etc. I'm not sure if such an establishment would see much use. Most masters seem happy enough to leave their slaves at home when they venture into the city or go about their business.
Plus, if that were the only place to log on to Slavebook, the character of Slavebook would change. Instead of it being a real-time messenger/networking system it would turn into a place were people leave notes and messages for each other, never certain if or when someone will actually be able to read them. I think it would be more useful if there could be a real-time element to this network (IM convos, etc.).
Okay.... so here's a wild idea: How about the masters actually set it up, pretending it to be a big secret, but actually spreading the word themselves behind the scenes. Their purpose would have been to create a place where slaves feel secure and speak their mind, so rebellious ones could be easier spotted. But... of course no one person can check each and every message or conversation, so that was left to computers looking for keywords and certain phrases. But computers can be hacked and reprogrammed and set to never really perform their intended task. Perhaps Larze did the hacking, perhaps someone else. But the result would be a well-maintained network for slaves to use and where they can speak their mind. (Of course not many would know that the system has been hacked and reprogrammed, to prevent slaves from spilling the beans.)
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Mar 13 2011, 02:44 AM
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Most masters
That's the point. Some Masters don't bother trusting their slaves alone. In fact, there have been several posts where Masters wonder how rebellious their slaves might be at home, particularly the more violent ones.
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Instead of it being a real-time messenger/networking system it would turn into a place were people leave notes and messages for each other, never certain if or when someone will actually be able to read them.
I love this idea, it becomes more a literal network of communication, rather than the "online networking" that the definition has turned into. What the hell are slaves going to do with online networking?
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I think it would be more useful if there could be a real-time element to this network (IM convos, etc.).
...but I'm not really fond of that idea.
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Okay.... so here's a wild idea: How about the masters actually set it up, pretending it to be a big secret, but actually spreading the word themselves behind the scenes. Their purpose would have been to create a place where slaves feel secure and speak their mind, so rebellious ones could be easier spotted. But... of course no one person can check each and every message or conversation, so that was left to computers looking for keywords and certain phrases. But computers can be hacked and reprogrammed and set to never really perform their intended task. Perhaps Larze did the hacking, perhaps someone else. But the result would be a well-maintained network for slaves to use and where they can speak their mind. (Of course not many would know that the system has been hacked and reprogrammed, to prevent slaves from spilling the beans.)
I'm not going to lie. I *hate* this interpretation of the idea. Like, a lot. I'm not really sure what else I can say other than that. I mean, my opinion isn't the end all be all by any means, but I can't see any of my characters participating willingly or unwillingly in either of these things with the "secret-but-not-secret set up that's secretly-but-not-secretly taken over by Larze and/or associates.
Honestly, I think that we're making this too complicated by inserting realism to this degree. There are a myriad of things that don't make complete sense on this site - would it really be that painful to accept there being an actual secure location for slaves to correspond with one another? I think it would make things more interesting than the "Masters secretly in control" bit, because the Masters are usually always secretly in control.
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Mar 13 2011, 03:15 AM
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Okay, so let me see if I read you correctly. What you have in mind sounds like an... electronic pinboard, or maybe a site for blogs people can write in while others can leave comments on the entries?
And you are right. Perhaps I am overthinking the realism aspect of the whole thing.
Just one potential problem (if you can call it that) I see with access being restricted to one physical location: Can temp slaves gain access, and what about freed slaves? Would the latter be welcome at the "day care center" to maintain their online presence, and would the former have any need to go there in the first place, given that they can just go home to their temp apartment when not needed by a master? The more open this thing is, the better, in my opinion, as the whole point is to give people a place to interact who would not have such a place otherwise.
Sooo... how about we use the "day care center" idea as a springboard, a place where people can learn about this network (and access it without the risk of a master looking over their shoulders), but not restrict access to the network to this one particular location?
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Mar 13 2011, 03:39 AM
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As far as temp slaves go, I suppose that any of them who are under Masters at the moment could have access. I realize that we're running into that wall with the "only location" thing; that does have to be addressed, but I'll speculate about that later on.
For freed slaves, there's the issue of identification, and that's a problem. I'd like to think that knowledge of the network in the first place would be enough to confirm that they'd once been slaves; but I'm not sure if there should be some sort of policy for freed slaves and how they access the network. I'll have to do some brainstorming about that.
Concerning location: More than one location makes sense, considering that there are slaves all over the world, even without being too detailed, to make it sound realistic there would have to be a loose connection of families/funders to make that possible. Larze and even the Thompson family couldn't run and monitor all of that by themselves. It all depends on how plausible you believe the option of a network would be.
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Mar 14 2011, 08:00 PM
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I could be very possible that it's set up but that not all slaves have access to it - I mean, if your Master makes you live in a basement and brings you plates of gruel every day, it wouldn't make sense for you to be able to access it.
Faelyn won't be getting Slavebook >.<
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Mar 14 2011, 08:23 PM
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I had thought I had posted to this but I guess I didn't.... I don't think this is plausible.
They're slaves, not civilians. Nothing special about them. They shouldn't get a way to communicate to other slaves. It could cause an uprising. They could band together and plot. And as far as a "day care" goes for slaves - that's just preposterous. If you don't trust a slave to be at home while you're away... placing them in the care of another group of slaves is just stupid. It'd be better to put them in the care of the slave market for the hour or two you're away.
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Mar 15 2011, 10:32 AM
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I had thought I had posted to this but I guess I didn't.... I don't think this is plausible.
I think it's been made clear, though, that this isn't completely plausible. A lot of things in our plot aren't plausible. This is more of a measure we're taking OOC to encourage interaction, or at least give people a small jump off point for motivation in terms of interaction. Too many people have complained about not having a reason for enough interaction, or that their character isn't in a place to talk to someone else that they may have gotten along with at some point. There aren't too many other ideas to encourage slave interaction, and we need some, considering that there are a lot of people on the site that only play slaves. 
The only other alternative I can think of is a large event where Masters can bring their slaves, but the rest of your commentary has eliminated this idea as well.
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They're slaves, not civilians. Nothing special about them.
That's highly debatable, considering slaves' ability to "become" Commoners under the right circumstances. If you're going to make that argument, you're technically implying that they shouldn't have the right to a lot of other things, like becoming a Commoner.
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They shouldn't get a way to communicate to other slaves. It could cause an uprising. They could band together and plot.
It could. >> but it probably won't. Because no one on this site has that intention. Not to mention that plenty of other things could cause uprisings - with all of the awesomely-powered slaves we've got on this site, and not specifics on anyone who works at or runs the Slave Market? I'm sure that there could have been an uprising already, if you want to be practical about it. Larze even attempted once...or twice...or thrice...or - see what I'm getting at? No matter what the practicality is, we have to take into account how it will be effected OOC as well, because if it'll get more people RPing or give people more inspiration to RP, so long as it doesn't jump the shark in our plot (speaking of which, we don't have a shark to begin with because we don't follow an overall plot) or do anything *too* outrageous, I think that we should do it and see how it goes. The worst thing is that the idea doesn't catch on and it doesn't get support, and then it won't take place anyway.
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And as far as a "day care" goes for slaves - that's just preposterous. If you don't trust a slave to be at home while you're away... placing them in the care of another group of slaves is just stupid. It'd be better to put them in the care of the slave market for the hour or two you're away.
All of those things are true except the last sentence. It IS preposterous, it WOULD be stupid - but that's precisely why quite a few people would do it. Not everyone in the world is smart, not everyone is witty or has the time to seek out appropriate means to monitor a slave. IMO, why keep a slave you can't trust? And yet there are Masters here, even, who keep slaves that displease them. It's not all about logic, Modrid. That's my point, because the world isn't logical. I guarantee you that, hypothetically, there would be a niche of people who would fall for this.
I would also like to add that it wouldn't be *only* for unruly slaves. It could also be for Masters who don't want to have to take care of an extra person for an hour or two if they know someone who lives in the city, etc. Slaves *do* have to get out sometime, and while some Masters totally don't care about that, I'm sure that there are some who are too lazy to want to spend actual time with their slaves who are still aware that beings need to get breathing space or air. Especially those who regard slaves as pets, etc. It's really possible for a variety of trains of thought to lead to a Master using this system.
Not to bring things down, but if we also take the time to compare to indentured servitude and the actual institution of slavery as it existed in history, there were people that would watch or take care of "unruly" or slaves that they couldn't trust. People would even send slaves to friends or people that they knew were of good upbringing if they were having trouble keeping up with the number of slaves that they had (and didn't want to sell any because of skill or just wanting to maintain numbers). Some of those people watching slaves helped them escape, etc. I'm not proposing that we do that, but I'm proposing that, on our site, the idea of slaves being able to interact outside of the notice of Masters is our smaller version of that.
In actuality, slaves interacted unbeknownst to Masters all the time. The problem with EoM by comparison is that even the richer Masters don't have thousands of slaves to conspire with each other. We have to make that work with the structure of EoM as is, which is from the perspective of a site where people don't have even tens of slave characters. We really only have a few because there's only so much that a person can do.
To address that last sentence, it would make absolutely no sense to put slaves back into the Market for an hour or two. Here are some reasons why:
1) The Market doesn't offer that option. Why? There's not a solid reason, but I can speculate: what would cause an inherently evil or desperate person from selling a slave that belongs to someone else? Sure, there are legal repercussions, but EoM's legal system isn't developed enough to definitely dispute this, and we don't know what sort of rights the Market has in terms of with holding exchanging information.
2) The Market offering that option would make it open to everyone, not just people with unruly slaves, etc. ...and if someone wants to have their slave watched for an hour or so, why would they put a slave that they "rescued" (which is the case for how many of the Masters, but not all of them, feel about slavery) from the Market place back into it?
3) The Market is filthy. That's kind of self explanatory, especially if you're a Master like Dev that has high standards. He would never leave anyone in the Market. He hates stepping into it in the first place.
4) For the most part, all of the employees of the Market have been portrayed as unlawful motherfuckers who almost don't even care about the value of a slave in comparison to the joy that they get from beating them. Also self-explanatory.
My point in relation to the quote is that we'd have to radically change the Slave Market and put it under new management for it to be suitable for your idea.
My overall point is that: we want slave to be able to interact with one another more, and we have to do something. I see your points when it comes to the argument against slavebook, but I think that the interaction that we want, and that the spirit of the idea being slavebook, is worth adding a few more things that don't make 100% sense to a world that already doesn't even make 70% sense. XD not to say that the RPing is bad, but I just think it's not good management to have a site that is so loose in terms of what characters can do and what players can do for their characters suddenly restrict that ability.
If anyone has any other ideas for circumstances for slave interaction, I'd love to hear them, but this seems to be the only one we have right now, so I'm going to fight for it.
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