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As most know; I might be leaveing the site
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Topic Started: Apr 14 2011, 02:25 AM (241 Views)
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Rhea
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Apr 14 2011, 02:25 AM
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If anyone even reads this, i might be leaving this site... as it is no long anywhere near what i made the original Era Of Manipulation to be and it is it's own site. As there is pretty much none of my site here (aside from the people) i just don't see a reason to stick around, it isn't like this site is growing that much to where i can stick around. What are there like twelve real people here and the rest of the accounts are just people's other characters, i am just using the numbers as a general thing not a real thing.
There are too many closed minded people here and people are wanting to drag in the real world, the creativity has gone from the world basically. Nobody can just do something they have to explain how they can do it and how it work, that isn't how a fantasy world is suppose to work in the role playing community where there is only suppose to be a setting not a real plot. Because basically all the real plot sites crash and die because nobody wants to do them.
Right now I'm kind of regretting saying that this could be the new EoM because it isn't EoM it is a new site. As much as i would like to be a complete bitch and demand a name change i will not because I never intended for EoM to last more than a few months. Yes i would have missed people but i figured EoM would die out and it wouldn't be a big deal because it was just a site all sites die out and who knows maybe EoM should have remained dead and not have any replicas or anything like that made. But to call this site EoM would just be lying as there is nothing of EoM here anymore, it has all been weeded out and replaced with other ideas and such.
Anyway I've gotten off topic, I am seriously thinking of leaving this site as i find that I'm not needed here... hell i doubt I'll be missed for longer than a week. It saddens me to even consider leaving people here but i just don't feel like i can truly expand my writing skills here with only so many people and with nobody truly wanting to randomly role play as they want to plan everything out and not just decide to do something and follow through with it without thinking it out. Everyone only wants to please one or two people and don't really think about others as a group, how planning threads out and everything can make people feel excluded. Really ones who can't chat in the cbox to plan stuff out or can't be online all the time to plan with people.
I'm not even gonna get into how the cbox feels to people who don't stay in character and all that shit. this site isn't a family anymore it is a group of people not wanting to include anyone who doesn't think like they do. And everyone takes everything so personal that is just fucken stupid to do so as it is just a bunch of ones and zeros made up into a code to give it form, image, and such.
So yea this is basically just to let everyone who I'm role playing with know that I might be leaving the site.
- Rhea, E'on, Zephyr, Shri, Hiryu
Aka, Kay
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Apr 14 2011, 02:34 AM
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whasasfgiasohtHUH?? NOOOOO!!!!
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Wow, I havent used this avatar in a LONG time
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Dinah May Anderson
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Apr 14 2011, 03:22 AM
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Kay, I think you are making some rather broad generalizations here, some of which I can agree with to a certain extend, others I can not agree with at all. But if we get into discussing those things in detail we'll probably still be here in a week without coming close to an agreement - at least that's what I fear - as we are touching rather philosophical questions here of what a roleplay should be about, how it should be handled, or how much "reality" it should include. If you would nevertheless get into those discussions we can give it a try, but obviously we feel different about a few things that are important to you.
But what matters at the end of the day is that you do what you feel is best for you. If that means you stay then you stay, and if that means you leave then you leave. You have to do what satisfies you most, and makes you happy - or at least gives you a shot at finding happiness and fun elsewhere if this site is no longer for you. I won't try to tell you what that decision should be, as you are the only one who can really make it.
And if you want a name change for this site, we can certainly talk about that. I got used to the name, but I am not married to it. You are certainly right when you say some aspects of the site are quite different from the original EoM.
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Apr 14 2011, 03:46 AM
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I really rather not leave, as I am sitting here crying as I type this stuff and I am not one to cry over every little damn thing, but this site is too closed for me. when i think of role play i think of an escape where i don't have to give a damn about making things seem real, without having to explain why my character can do something. Everything here seems to have come too real world like sure there are still magic creatures but everything seems to need to be explained as how something is done. I know part of this is coming from due to it isn't MY site (I've been dealing with that since the start of the whole thing but i was reading posts and stuff and everything has changed completely), and face it the only thing that is still remotely still EoM is that it's a slave and master rp with mythical creatures. That is the only thing that is the same. EoM was apart of me, it was my safe haven world.
Hell if i want to explain myself i would stop lying to my parents about who i am and start being myself which they wouldn't like very much. EoM was a place were i could be me... but here it seems i have to dance and be not me, when i am me all it that happens are fights on here.
I'm gonna go ahead and delete E'on's account and move his profile to dead characters as nobody wants to rp with him.
As i told Vedrit, the only people who would probably even care if i leave are him, Angie, maybe Pocket, maybe Dratz, and maybe Lacy. As they are the only ones i rp with... well not Lacy but i'm pretty sure they would miss me on here.
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Apr 14 2011, 04:50 AM
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Yes, well, sometimes I, too, wonder how many people would really miss me if I just vanished from the site. But I know it's not a very healthy thought to have. Especially since EoM, since I joined the old site and now here, always appeared to be a place where different cliques and "clubs" existed, some more closely-knit than others, some overlapping from time to time, but always there. As I recently told Modrid, that's just the way human interactions are in pretty much every situation where more than a handful of people come together.
But what it also means is that you have some people to RP with. You have characters active in threads, you have people who reply there, so you can still play here. Maybe you just have to focus on what fun or escape you can find here and ignore at least some of the rest?
(There are a few things I could, and will, say about the changes I made to EoM - and roleplaying in general - but as those are my rather personal thoughts and opinions I'll start a new thread for it.)
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Apr 14 2011, 09:43 AM
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Despite the discussion and disagreement that we may have had in the Cbox yesterday, I still like you as both an RPer and as the original founder of EoM.
I definitely agree that the site has evolved beyond the expectations originally had for it - but I can't agree that all everyone wants to do is exclude everyone else. But, as Dinah did, I digress, because the philosophical is not nearly as important as what I'm really trying to say.
I'm not like Dinah. I'm not going to be neutral, Rhea. I know that we don't RP very often (I believe that we've only RPed a bit on the old site when I was a fledgling member) but I'm telling you, from the bottom of my heart:
Do NOT leave.
(apologies for being so demanding; I know that you don't like it when others tell you what to do. )
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Apr 14 2011, 02:34 PM
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Dev, what happened in the cbox doesn't have anything to do with this. Stuff like that happens people don't always see eye to eye, i know that and that has nothing to do with why i would leave. I'm not doing this for attention either as some might think, I am just simply at a point where I don't give a shit about what other people say. I'm gonna voice my opinions and people who don't agree or whatever with me can go to hell for all i care.
cliques are something in life but they seem to be worst right now on the site, as people are all into planning and everything. There are hardly any open threads they are all directed at someone or people. Hell my open threads get ignored even though i leave them open for anyone to join, just because i never planned them with someone. Yes that is a problem we had on the old site but it wasn't this bad.
as to the role playing thing; what i believe role playing to be as a way to escape from the real world, where magic can happen without needing to explain how it was done, and not have to think about real world stuff like how someone gains money or how something works. Sure some can wonder that but not everyone wants to explain all that shit, as it would probably be taken as having to explain themselves for why they chose to be that way.
On to the site, from what I've seen the site is turning into more of an every day life RP rather than an slave and master RP. It happened probably when the commoner option came in (I'm not saying that it was a bad thing) but in a real slave and master site there aren't choices to be a commoner, it's either a slave or master and sure there could be a freed slave choice but it had to be earned by being a slave. I mean if you have commoners then it takes away a need for a hunter, why would someone make a rebellious slave when they can just make a commoner? Thus having commoner choice basically makes hunters useless.
What i said about sites with plots crashing, that is just from what I've seen. The best sites I've seen are the one who short settings and not a lot of reading. People are lazy and a lot are too lazy to read an in-depth setting or plot, they want just the basic info that is needed. That is probably one of the reasons why all the crap sites stay active longer than the more thought out and planned sites.
as of right now I'm most likely not gonna leave completely but just go down to Shri, Xochi, and Hiryu only as they are the only truly active characters on here. I might bring Zep back later but i'm not sure yet, as there are really no uses for Rhea here i'm most likely gonna remove her from here after i talk to pocket.
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Apr 14 2011, 04:00 PM
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:/ Well... my happy bubble has just been raped. I shouldn't have read this thread...
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Apr 14 2011, 05:40 PM
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Dev, what happened in the cbox doesn't have anything to do with this. Stuff like that happens people don't always see eye to eye, i know that and that has nothing to do with why i would leave. I'm not doing this for attention either as some might think, I am just simply at a point where I don't give a shit about what other people say. I'm gonna voice my opinions and people who don't agree or whatever with me can go to hell for all i care.
I'm glad that our discussion had nothing to do with this, and I never once thought that you were doing that for attention.
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cliques are something in life but they seem to be worst right now on the site, as people are all into planning and everything. There are hardly any open threads they are all directed at someone or people. Hell my open threads get ignored even though i leave them open for anyone to join, just because i never planned them with someone. Yes that is a problem we had on the old site but it wasn't this bad.
I don't think that planning in general means that someone's forming a clique. We do have cliques on the site, but I'm of the opinion that it's the cliques that dictate how things are planned.
I'll try to break this down the best way that I can: I think of EoM as something of a large story made of small stories woven together. Most of us are here to help improve and develop our writing skills. I understand the "freedom" that you talk about creatively and the "planning" and why you dislike it in relation to the creative freedom you want. However, most of us being here to improve our writing more so than simply RPing in the dice-rolling sense. Writing has rules, confines, and details that differentiate good from bad. It's a rule of thumb that most good writing comes from good planning. Not to say that you're being a bad writer by not planning, but not everyone has that sort of genius to just get up and go.
People plan so that they can guarantee that their characters are being written well and consistently. That might mean that one character doesn't RP with others because there's no way in hell that they would meet--I can understand how that's frustrating for you, as a free-writer who sees that as an easily overwrite-able obstacle, but not everyone else thinks in that fashion. You also have to think about the fact that people may be overwhelmed. There are a lot of people I don't RP with because I either don't have the energy to keep up with extra threads; our characters don't get along; or I'm irritated IRL and its affecting my ability to RP creatively. And I'm not going to lie--some people I don't RP with because I feel that they're a bit difficult to deal with writing-wise. It happens to everyone, and these should be taken into consideration. These things happen on all sites, and not just this one.
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as to the role playing thing; what i believe role playing to be as a way to escape from the real world, where magic can happen without needing to explain how it was done, and not have to think about real world stuff like how someone gains money or how something works. Sure some can wonder that but not everyone wants to explain all that shit, as it would probably be taken as having to explain themselves for why they chose to be that way.
That's the only thing about fantasy: It's based on what exists in real life. There's the contrast between the possible and impossible, and that's why things that are considered impossible are labeled "fantasy" in the first place. It's all connected.
As far as the explanation stuff, it goes back to my writing point from earlier. A lot of us are writers trying to better ourselves, and to be a good writer you have to be able to explain what's going on and why it's happening - it has to deal with the philosophy on suspense of disbelief and what your audience is willing to accept as readers, etc. I won't get into it because it's rather involved.
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On to the site, from what I've seen the site is turning into more of an every day life RP rather than an slave and master RP.
What's the difference? It's not as though we were all writing just about moments of being controlling to slaves. We've been writing about our everyday lives with slaves. That's what I've seen everyone doing since I first arrived on the site, at least. I don't think it's possible to have a Master/slave RP that's not completely sexually based (which I believe as something that you used to be worried about the site becoming at one point) without some every day life pieces.
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It happened probably when the commoner option came in (I'm not saying that it was a bad thing) but in a real slave and master site there aren't choices to be a commoner, it's either a slave or master and sure there could be a freed slave choice but it had to be earned by being a slave. I mean if you have commoners then it takes away a need for a hunter, why would someone make a rebellious slave when they can just make a commoner? Thus having commoner choice basically makes hunters useless.
I disagree with this, because there is a difference between a rebellious slave and a commoner, and some people specifically want one over the other. There are a lot of people who have come on the site *just* to create rebellious slaves. I don't think that one will affect the other. I can see how it seems like it would, but from what I've seen, the members we attract here are not necessarily that predictable.
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What i said about sites with plots crashing, that is just from what I've seen. The best sites I've seen are the one who short settings and not a lot of reading. People are lazy and a lot are too lazy to read an in-depth setting or plot, they want just the basic info that is needed. That is probably one of the reasons why all the crap sites stay active longer than the more thought out and planned sites.
That's something that we can't avoid, though - Every time someone plays out a plot, we make the summary of what's happened longer. The premise for this site is remarkably short - even with the changes that we've made - so I don't think that we'll have a problem with that. If anything, new members would have trouble keeping up with the characters and character relationships (which is a problem on here to some degree for new members) rather than background information on the site's setting in general. And there's no way to rectify that other than to not RP with each other at all and avoid creating bonds with one another; I already know that you're not referring to that, because that would be silly. XD
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Apr 14 2011, 10:11 PM
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Dev, the whole planned thing; so you telling me that if i want to rp i have to plan to rp with someone? i can't just have a thread that's open and let people chose if they wish to rp with me? So my time that i spend making open posts that go unanswered for a month because nobody has the balls or imagination to join it. I have had an open thread for E'on for a month basically and nobody even showed interest in joining it but they did make new threads on the same board because they planned an rp with a person in that setting. And hey i still have an open thread in the mall for ANYONE to rp with me, that was posted on Mar 23 2011.... just because nobody wants to fit into that setting or want to fit into the post, because i didn't fucken plan it with someone and post for someone. That is what i was talking about with the whole fucken planned threads and shit, nobody seems to have the balls to just randomly pick an rp with someone who has an open thread.
Just so everyone knows i'm no longer gonna switch accounts to rp on, everything i have to post is just gonna come from Rhea's account. Who i'm playing will be clear but i'm tried of switching accounts just to do one or two posts.
aside from money whats the real difference between Commoner and Master? yes i've read the post that Dev and Dinah had about this but to me having the commoner part is just useless. I am not gonna say anymore on this because this is my thoughts on it so i'm leaving it at this.
The plot isn't really that short, if you think about it but the whole cannon thing that is wanting to get added in that'll make it longer. and trust me if someone has to search for information they aren't gonna wanna join the site, i know i don't want to have to search for the information that is important to the site. and i may have made this part more confusing as i am tried and hugely out of it.
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What's the difference? It's not as though we were all writing just about moments of being controlling to slaves. We've been writing about our everyday lives with slaves. That's what I've seen everyone doing since I first arrived on the site, at least. I don't think it's possible to have a Master/slave RP that's not completely sexually based (which I believe as something that you used to be worried about the site becoming at one point) without some every day life pieces.
There is a difference, the every day life to life is different from a real life role play. I mean people are rping their jobs that isn't in the day to day life rp, that is the difference. and if i wasn't so tried i would be able to explain better so i'm gonna say put this part on hold until tomorrow.
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Apr 15 2011, 12:43 PM
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Dev, the whole planned thing; so you telling me that if i want to rp i have to plan to rp with someone? i can't just have a thread that's open and let people chose if they wish to rp with me? So my time that i spend making open posts that go unanswered for a month because nobody has the balls or imagination to join it.
That's not what I'm saying at all.
I'm saying that the way that you write isn't necessarily the way that other people write. There's a lot more to take into consideration than just "I made a thread and no one joined it so cliques have to be going on". It's more than that. Some people don't join open threads because their characters are tied up in other things, or they promised other people that they would RP with them at some point and they're finally getting around to it. It's not a matter of planning versus unplanned - it's a matter of people having other things to do/being interested in your thread. Everyone isn't going to post in every single open thread.
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I have had an open thread for E'on for a month basically and nobody even showed interest in joining it but they did make new threads on the same board because they planned an rp with a person in that setting.
Yes. People do that. But those things might have been important for their character's development or something, and therefore took precedence over what your had posted. They might have gotten a new slave and wanted to get to know them, or have an important moment that they wanted to happen for months but couldn't spare the time for it, etc. I just feel that when you mention this, you're not taking all the possibilities into account. You're automatically jumping from point A (that you put up a thread and no one else has posted in it) to point B (that cliques have to be the only reason why people aren't posting with you) and that's not right. You're not giving anyone any credit for being able to make their own decisions about what they feel is best for their characters, which I honestly believe only sometimes have to do with "clique" thing. Again, I'm not saying that cliques aren't an issue, but I am saying that cliques aren't the villain responsible for everything that happens here that people don't like.
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And hey i still have an open thread in the mall for ANYONE to rp with me, that was posted on Mar 23 2011.... just because nobody wants to fit into that setting or want to fit into the post, because i didn't fucken plan it with someone and post for someone. That is what i was talking about with the whole fucken planned threads and shit, nobody seems to have the balls to just randomly pick an rp with someone who has an open thread.
It doesn't necessarily take "balls" to RP with someone random. You just have to be in the mood to do and be open to random things happening. Not everyone RPs like that. I'm sorry that it bothers you, but it's true--usually, when you're writing a coherent story (which is what EoM is: a giant collaborative story done via RP) you plan things out. As I said in my earlier post, most people put a lot of concentration and work into their characters because it doesn't come naturally to them as it does you. Because of that, they have certain intentions with those characters and where they want them to go. Or--and this is also often the case--starting a random RP with another person spirals into a direction that they have to point their character into, which may or may not be away from the crowd of other characters on the site.
Every action causes a reaction. If I'm busy running away with a girl in some random thread that she posted a few days ago, obviously the I'm not going to be available to RP with you--it wouldn't make sense, unless I can get the girl to RP with you as well. What if she doesn't want to or she's busy? Then my hands are tied, because I'm traveling with her, etc. There are a few ways around this, but it also depends on the circumstances and setting of the thread that you've made for me to join.
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Just so everyone knows i'm no longer gonna switch accounts to rp on, everything i have to post is just gonna come from Rhea's account. Who i'm playing will be clear but i'm tried of switching accounts just to do one or two posts.
I could reply to that, but it's your personal choice and you didn't ask for opinions on it. XD
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aside from money whats the real difference between Commoner and Master? yes i've read the post that Dev and Dinah had about this but to me having the commoner part is just useless. I am not gonna say anymore on this because this is my thoughts on it so i'm leaving it at this.
Alright, then. Moving on.
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The plot isn't really that short, if you think about it but the whole cannon thing that is wanting to get added in that'll make it longer. and trust me if someone has to search for information they aren't gonna wanna join the site, i know i don't want to have to search for the information that is important to the site. and i may have made this part more confusing as i am tried and hugely out of it.
Well, the little that has been added/changed hasn't really contributed to the length of it. If we do make it longer, it won't be more than maybe one paragraph. I don't know if you've been reading the threads discussing it, Rhea, but we all decided that we didn't want an RP'd story for it - we wanted to keep it in summary form, and we definitely wanted to keep it within the single post that we already have for it. There's no "information" to look up. Just that single post that explains how the world got the way it is with the ethereal creatures and such. That's all. It's not as much as you think it is.
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There is a difference, the every day life to life is different from a real life role play. I mean people are rping their jobs that isn't in the day to day life rp, that is the difference. and if i wasn't so tried i would be able to explain better so i'm gonna say put this part on hold until tomorrow.
I'll wait until you state your opinion in full before replying, then.
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Apr 15 2011, 01:28 PM
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Dev has stated some of my own thoughts fairly well and in more detail than I might have put them. There can be any number of reasons people do not join an open thread, many of which have nothing to do with the person who created said open thread or their personality and/or writing/RPing style.
I also think we should differentiate a bit between a "planned thread" and what I'd call a "planned encounter". The former I read as a thread where the actual character interaction is planned beforehand to some extend. Those are, most likely, threads that are written with a certain plot point in mind. The latter is what I'd call threads that start with two (or more) people just thinking that it would be nice if their characters got together without worrying too much what will actually happen as they roleplay through that encounter. Some threads can be a combination of both, have only one element, or neither.
And those combinations and variations happen here in all kinds of shapes and forms. Marie meeting Curry was just me joining an open thread because I wanted to play Marie more, the thread was there, and I liked Curry's writing I had seen before. It wasn't planned, and we have never talked about what direction to take that character relationship into. The Angela/Evander encounter had planning that could be summed up in four short sentences: "Got any plans for Evander? No. Hey, how about a thread with him and Angela? Sure, why not?" Nothing else was - or is - planned for it so far. Some things in the Brinley/Dinah relationship are plotted out, but their original meeting was not, and neither much of what developed as a direct consequence of that meeting.
These unplanned things do happen here, even if it may appear that the plotting and planning have overwhelmed spontaneity. And please note that the above are all examples from my own roleplaying, even if I may be the instigator of at least some of the changes that have happened over the last eight months, so I hope they go a little way to demonstrate that the planning and plotting here isn't always as strong and dominating as it may appear at times.
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[Dratz] I'm just going to add my 'two cents' here: I feel like we are a family. We've been together for so long and we're all very fond of each other. No, this site doesn't feel like the old EoM, whether that is better or worse it doesn't affect me. The point is I still post like I used to, with the same people I used to. No offence Dinah, whilst I obey your rules, the original EoM is in my heart with her collars and charms. My mind is stuck in old ways. I am happy here, what can I say.
I'm very sad my old threads have gone, and with them I lost Ashlyn  I'm sad I lost a lot of Larze's plot and story, whilst I know in my heart and head what he's up to, he hasn't got any cannon threads to prove his chaotic extremist nature. I'm sad I can't play Ix any more, but to be fair his story line ended happily. He married Colette, they had a family and his story came to a close. I have no need to play him. Draiton never did find true happiness, but he came close to it. And now his life has begin anew. Fallin and Muro have been created here, I've dropped playing Nyle.
The forum skin may be different. The rules might be askew (but I don't read them these days anyway)
But the blood that runs through the forum is the same.
Deveraux Dixion. That blue named master with the long white hair, sexy ass. Pretty boy, flirts like EoM's golden boy.
Shar, beautiful angelic slave
Aislin
Julius the wolf
Pocket, hunter and madman. Godmodder and cheaky scout, we love and hate him.
Cursico, you little insane child fox.
I forget a lot of names, but to me those people I know and love, my family, are those who make this forum... make it the same. You look at these 'fast reply' boxes, they're blank. Our hands touch our keys, we fill in our characters personalities. The print comes on screen, every thread is our world, your world, his or her world. Whatever you want it to be, you type it. Just play...
If you leave, you lose a lot. You have nothing to gain. Be here with us, we love you. We're us, We are EoM!
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Modrid Brennan
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Apr 15 2011, 09:42 PM
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Well, I had been trying to put in my two cents in this thread for awhile now, trying to trim it up and make it respectable and not insulting, but no matter what I say now, it'll be pretty damn tactless to follow Dratz with my post.
So... Currently I am of no opinion. I plead the fifth.
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Apr 15 2011, 11:37 PM
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...but that's not true at all. You do have an opinion - you're just choosing not to voice it. It's not the same thing.
Because if you really didn't have an opinion, you wouldn't have posted at all. I say go for it, since you bothered to mention that you had something to say in the first place. Baiting us doesn't get the job done.
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