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| Pokemon Z RPG | 23 Feb 2012, 11:42 PM Post #61 |
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How is it really possible to participate in discussions if you don't hear what other members have to say, then? Yes, I can definitely see this as being the more likely situation. I think it would be very cool to see the different skins for each trainer if they were to do that as well, even though the Pokemon Trainer doesn't have many close-ups aside from the character-select screen and the background. Also, welcome to the forum chronokatz! Feel free to introduce yourself in the "Introductions & Farewells" section of the forum to let us know what you're like, and if you need any help setting up anything let me or MariovSonic know and we'll be sure to help you out. |
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| chronokatz | 24 Feb 2012, 12:37 AM Post #62 |
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There's the official art of all the main player characters that is (slightly) more detailed than the character selection screen sprites. So that could be used to design all the different skins. I'm not sure which characters/how many they would include though. I think the maximum number of skins most characters have is six, which limits the number of characters that could be included. Then again, they could treat Pokemon Trainer similarly to Wario, and give him 10 skins (the male and female options from every generation). Actually since Wario has 12 skins, Pokemon Trainer could get two more. (I'm partial to Silver and Blue).
Thanks! I'll be sure to ask if I need any help. |
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| MariovSonic | 24 Feb 2012, 12:56 AM Post #63 |
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To repeat what Z said, welcome to the forums, chronokatz! I didn't even think about various skins for the trainer himself! In addition to different generation Pokemon acting as alternates, different options for the trainer's appearance would be great. Even if other starters aren't available, that option would still be a nice touch. Skins that go beyond simply changing the colour of the character would be an incredibly cool feature to see on more fighters. I might have to suggest a special award, just for you.
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| chronokatz | 24 Feb 2012, 01:27 AM Post #64 |
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Sadly, I don't think changing the actual pokemon themselves between skins would work. The 3 pokemon that would represent each generation are too different in my opinion. Let's assume the SSB4 Pokemon Trainer follows the same trend as the SSBB Pokemon Trainer (evolution 1 water starter, evolution 2 grass starter, and evolution 3 fire starter). I'm also going to use the SSBB Pokemon Trainer's moveset as a basis for this comparison. I think everything would work out OK for the water pokemon. All of Squirtle's B moves would work with the Gen II - V starters (with changes to the Side B animation because the other pokemon don't have a shell to withdraw into). Squirtle's A moves would also translate well to the other starters (although there would again need to be changes to the animation). The only potential issue is that the moves need to have the exact same hit box, speed, power, etc. so that one skin isn't more powerful than the other. As I see it, the problem arises with the grass pokemon. Ivysaur's special moves and grabs don't translate well to the other grass starters. Grovyle and Grotle can't learn vine whip, so they would be different than Ivysaur, Bayleef, and Servine who can. Another problem is that not all of the grass starters can learn razor leaf, Ivysaur's side B. Ivysaur's neutral B also doesn't translate to the other starters, since they don't have an easy way to use bullet seed. Ivysaur's up and down aerial attacks also involve him attacking by expelling air from the bulb on his back, which causes him to either fall faster or slower depending on the direction its used in. None of the other starters would be able to do this. The fire pokemon also have some problems (although not as many as the grass). The most prominent is the fact that Charizard has wings. The other four don't. In order for the skins to not introduce changes in gameplay, Charizard would need to lose his ability to fly and glide. Basically, if Nintendo were to go with the existing water form 1, grass form 2, fire form 3 strategy, they wouldn't be able to implement skins for the pokemon themselves due to the vast differences between the pokemon. It MIGHT work if a different combination of the three evolutions was used, but that would (possibly) render all the code that went into Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard useless. Just thought of this: if the pokemon themselves can't change between the different skins, and the trainer doesn't change for each skin, then one of the skins should be the shiny versions of the three pokemon XD |
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| Kouzetsu | 24 Feb 2012, 02:34 AM Post #65 |
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I'd appreciate this very much. I'm really looking forward to being able to play as the trainer from the Hoenn region because I adore Pokemon Emerald oh so much. Anyway... I think we've already covered most of this topic. There really wasn't much to cover about it.
I always knew you were turned on by my jokes pertaining to dating you. Edited by Kouzetsu, 24 Feb 2012, 02:37 AM.
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| chronokatz | 24 Feb 2012, 03:07 AM Post #66 |
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Have we considered the possibility of another pokemon being added? The only two possibilities I can think of off the top of my head are Piplup and Meowth (both of whom would be promoted from Assist Trophies). Then again, neither of those are from Gen V (which I would assume is the only generation Nintendo would want to include new playable pokemon from). |
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| Kouzetsu | 24 Feb 2012, 03:43 AM Post #67 |
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if she's old enough to count she's old enough to mount
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I'd expect Meowth for his popularity in the anime/manga series and for the fact that a lot of people have been anticipating Meowth since the first Smash Bros game and still... We are Meowth-less. I'm just really hoping we don't get another sucky character like Mewtwo or Jigglypuff out of our edition of Pokemon characters that will be in the game. |
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| Pokemon Z RPG | 24 Feb 2012, 09:06 PM Post #68 |
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Just wanted to mention first that I really can see the potential in at least having all of the regions' trainers as alternate skins, as chronokatz suggested. Having both genders to choose from would be simply fantastic.Obviously it won't be as easy as copying and pasting a new design for the Pokemon, but I don't necessarily think hit box, speed, or power would be much of a problem because they really just require changes in their stats and engineering. You do have some great points though, sir/madam. I do think they would have to make more universals moves for their movesets, however, that way characters like Grotle and Grovyle could get along a lot better than they would with the current moveset's situation. Considering this, there are definitely some major flaws in simply having the different regions of Pokemon as alternate skins because of just how unique they are from each other. If something like this were to happen, they would unfortunately have to put a lot more effort into it than we anticipated, which definitely makes it unlikely. I have a feeling they will rather have introductions to entirely new characters than developing further on older ideas, sadly. I definitely don't think we are done with this topic just yet, especially since there are still other avenues we can take with the discussion. I don't think you're picking up what she's putting down.
I definitely think it's very unlikely that Meowth would become a playable character, especially after being established as an assist trophy. To be honest, the Pokemon anime is not near as big (or good) as it was around when the original Super Smash Bros. game out, which is why it probably would have made sense to have Meowth as a playable character then. This is also likely the same reason that Jigglypuff was included in the first place: because of its popularity in the show. That's why I think it is too late now to have Meowth added to the Smash Bros. universe, because he just isn't as relevant as he used to be. What?! Mewtwo's badass. And Jigglypuff is actually a very well-rounded character. |
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| Kouzetsu | 24 Feb 2012, 09:51 PM Post #69 |
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if she's old enough to count she's old enough to mount
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Your "well rounded" pun was awful... Anyway. Mewtwo is hard to play with. |
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| chronokatz | 24 Feb 2012, 10:41 PM Post #70 |
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As you said, Grotle and Grovyle would work fine with new movesets. But that's the problem. Because they need knew movesets, they can't function as different skins for Pokemon Trainer. They'd have to be implemented as completely new characters, which (as you also said) is pretty unlikely. So I guess we can pretty much agree that the gen V starters are going to replace those from gen I, and the gen II-IV starters won't make it in. All that's up for debate is which evolutions of the starters will be included, and how they will play. I personally think it would be better if the evolutions were switched. That way the SSB4 pokemon trainer doesn't feel like an updated version of the SSBB trainer, but an feels like an entirely new character. The grass starter could be in it's first form (because it's second form has even smaller arms and its final form lacks them completely), the fire starter could be in its second form, and the water starter could be in its final form (because that way we get a pokemon dual wielding samurai swords XD)
I agree with this assessment of Meowth also. Nintendo is going to want to promote Gen V as much as possible, so Meowth probably won't make it in. Another thing we should consider (unless we'll have an Items topic later) is which Pokemon will be included in pokeballs. Between Melee and Brawl, Articuno, Zapdos, and Raikou were removed to make way for gen III and IV pokemon. I can see Suicune or Entei being removed, along with the edition of one of the Regis, one of the lake trio from gen IV, and one of the muskateer pokemon from gen V. That way 1 member of each generation's legendary trio is included. Mew, Jirachi, and Celebi will stay (although the chance of them appearing will decrease to correspond to the increase in the total number of pokemon), and Victini will probably join them. The Spear Pillar will probably be removed as a stage, so Dialga and Palkia will probably become pokemon that can be released from pokeballs. The mascot pokemon of Gen V will also probably be added As for non legendaries, I'm not sure which will be added, but I can make a few guesses as to which will stay. Snorlax and Electrode have been in all three games, so they'll hopefully stick around for SSB4. Staryu and Wobbuffet have been in Melee and Brawl, so I can see them staying. Bellossom will probably be replaced by a gen V pokemon that can use sleep powder, and Togepi will either stay or be replaced by another metronome using pokemon. |
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