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The MKF Community Level Project
Topic Started: Feb 14 2011, 06:17 PM (3,390 Views)
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You could hide the portal gun in other stages as a way to find special exits and secrets. No need to keep the gun for a portal level only.
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Feb 15 2011, 04:42 PM
Quake already has a level, wouldn't the reason for a medley level like this be to represent other FPS games without having to design individual levels for a select few of them?
This, also there are several unsed custom sprites fitting for said level, like the slime monster from Blake Stone in Lars' signature, half life enemies, MDK enemies, also most of these FPS-es are sprite based, and probably also ripped like how Doomand Wolfenstein enemies are.

I support Serious Sam too but I think it will need custom sprites.

Chaos.Tiki: That would
a. break leveldesign.
b. fit nowhere besides a portal themed level.
c. sucks away attention from current level theme and concept.
Edited by Bloodgrey, Feb 15 2011, 05:04 PM.
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Feb 15 2011, 04:42 PM
Quake already has a level, wouldn't the reason for a medley level like this be to represent other FPS games without having to design individual levels for a select few of them?
This, also there are several unsed custom sprites fitting for said level, like the slime monster from Blake Stone in Lars' signature, half life enemies, MDK enemies, also most of these FPS-es are sprite based, and probably also ripped like how Doom enemies are.

I support Serious Sam too but I think it will need custom sprites.
Yeah, there would need to be custom sprites. Too bad though that the GBA sprites from Serious Sam Advance only show the front of the enemies, but those could probably be used for reference if designing an enemy.

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FPS with DOUK and friends is a cool idea

UG said he was gonna tackle Shadow Moses iirc
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Sacorguy79
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Feb 15 2011, 04:42 PM
Quake already has a level, wouldn't the reason for a medley level like this be to represent other FPS games without having to design individual levels for a select few of them?
This, also there are several unsed custom sprites fitting for said level, like the slime monster from Blake Stone in Lars' signature, half life enemies, MDK enemies, also most of these FPS-es are sprite based, and probably also ripped like how Doom enemies are.

I support Serious Sam too but I think it will need custom sprites.
Yeah, there would need to be custom sprites. Too bad though that the GBA sprites from Serious Sam Advance only show the front of the enemies, but those could probably be used for reference if designing an enemy.

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If you guys want anything from complex games, you'll have to provide fitting good quality sprites and resources, no one will do it for you. All the FPS and other complex games' sprites currently in MKF were made from scratch by several people (Halo's, Half Life's, Gears of War's, Duke Nukem's, StarCraft's, etc.)

Other like the Quake sprites, they were literally a living hell for me to get, it was so hard to get the right scale, animation frames, angles and to clean them up from the screenshots, it took me many weeks. Even the Doom sprites got some resizing treatment, only the Cacodemons and Pain elementals were left like the originals, but the rest were resized, so yeah Hexen's would need the same treatment probably.

tl;dr: complex content needs a lot of work, so be careful with the suggestions, nothing will be done if you don't provide all the resources needed for this, already resized and reshaded or whatever they need


Also it's true there are plenty of unused sprites Lars made, like the MDK's, but some of the Half Life and the Blake Stone's slime dude are already in the game, in T'Leth.

NO Body also got a ton of unused sprites, but he got most of them in the dev forums... I dunno if he'd like to post them for the public so you guys could get more ideas or something,
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Let's see, Duke has sprites done by NoBody.
Hexen would need then custom ones, but I could give a try for that based on the original sprites, however I don't know if it would end in a good way, I'm not sure.
I'm not familiar with neither Blood, System shock, and Turok so I can't say a thing about these and I wouldn't do custom stuff for all of these games cause I don't know them, MDK, and Half Life has sprites by Lars.
Bad Toys is an easy one, also I'm familiar with so I would do that

So down-to-earth if I have to do all the sprites then I'd say that level would represent Duke Nukem, Hexen, Bad Toys, Half-Life and MDK only. Wouldn't be too much. So I'm not sticking to this idea from this point.
Edited by Bloodgrey, Feb 15 2011, 05:49 PM.
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Eh. I'm seeing a lot of mention of obscure games. I think that's a bit counter-intuitive if you want the community level to be something everyone can get behind. People are less likely to contribute in the name of recreating the atmosphere of some game they've never heard of; from what I'm getting, because one of the main goals here is to make the community feel less like spectators in the game's development- if just for this once, I guess- it'd be beneficial to go for something relatively broad. Something that doesn't cater to someone's niche, or what they'd personally like to see. We've had a lot of that already (but that's pretty much a given, since people will work on the levels they want to see and devote ungainly amounts of time to create, of course), but I don't think such a practice would be a good idea for this level.

I'd go for a broader crossover. The Nintendo world was still pretty empty the last time I checked, so maybe we could do something with that. A medley level, for instance, kind of like that one crossroads level Lars remade. It could be one for the NES or SNES or something. I also thought it'd be a silly and neat idea to do an internet level for the minus world, but I recall seeing one already. Then again, it'd be more running on top of a youtube video while fighting anons and trolls sort of internet level, so it could work. But I dunno.
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There's already a NES medley level planned for W8, and some devs already showed some interest for it so it won't be scrapped.

But I agree, a community project like this should be like a medley containing more crossover elements from more games so various people can get interested instead of just "bawww but I want a level based on this", like the DOS medley idea, or that Bloody demonic crossover level with various hellish things from many games, etc.
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I'm fine with the nintendo stuff, the fps thing also meant to be something that realtively everyone could stick with, there are popular old timer FPS games what everybody knows, looks like I'm a different generation, didn't know for example Hexen is that obscure for you.

The internet idea doesn't seem to work for me, it's heavily fashion based, I know games tend to have a significant style what remarks the time when they was done, but the internet with their instantly existing and dissapearing memes and stuffs are just hard to represent, and becomes outdated in a short time, also we could easily make it obscure, sure we are in a community that knows it's memes and stuff, and we tend to stick with same individuals like us on other places, but the others wouldn't understand it, gamers are beyond that.

Looks like it has to be a portal game or something fairly recent and popular that everyone knows, but not breaking the rules.
Edited by Bloodgrey, Feb 15 2011, 06:10 PM.
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Not to mention it would be breaking the "games only" rule (a level based on original web games could work, though.)

Also, Hexen is considered obscure anywhere?
Edited by Babblefish, Feb 15 2011, 06:11 PM.
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Don't forget it still has to be based on video games, an internet level based on trolls or memes wouldn't be accepted, it'd be similar to that Beer level lol.
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Well seeing most people's choice was such a recent game like portal, I tought they just don't know about games like Hexen, and dnon't bound with it for this reason.

I like the flash games idea but there are tons of them on the net, it would be a hard to make a choice and a a call for stop.

I'd say a C64 medley would be interesting, most people here met with games of it, and it's not represented, Arcade factory is actally based on old atari games, also Obreck was planning such thing with Impossible Mission, but then we didn't hear athing about it after he started his Castlevania project.
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Uhhh, I'm a comicgeek, it's a shame I forgot it. :coy:
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idk how the layout would work, but for world -1 there could be something like a popular glitch from an old game, Glitch City. The reason I am suggesting this is that I have never seen a full pokemon level before, this could be it, also it could give a chance to include some glitch pokemon, like the most popular one, missingno.

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@G.M.M.: Even when the Minus World's name is based around a glitch, this world isn't made to represent any glitches, or make levels based on them. That idea was suggested before and taken down several times, I think the confusion originated because the old devs didn't know what was with it either lol, at some point I think MISSINGNO was gonna be the world boss.. I could be wrong though. There were official levels based on weird things like Feline Fortress too lol.

And it's not the DOS world either, so DOS games could still fit other worlds, like Land of Lattice in W6. The levels currently in there are there just because they didn't fit any other places.


-Off topic: hmm actually I wonder why Red Rock City isn't in W9, it fits, maybe because there was another commander keen level in the minus world already lol. Eh it's not my business anyway ;p
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Why no Naruto level? Naruto is awesome, this would be a great addition to the project.
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I'm compiling some things that could be in the "Transdementional Graveyard"
Lets see, of course there would be Boo and Ghini/Poe. And I had an idea where near the end you climb the wall of the ghost house and theres that kitty ghosty thing from the outer wall of Cave Story shooting at you, definitely some Castlevania things, and some Ghosts N Goblin things too.
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Feb 15 2011, 09:02 PM
Why no Naruto level? Naruto is awesome, this would be a great addition to the project.
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Naruto is overrated, and so is DBZ. >_>

anyway, how about some sprites and enemies from Booger Man? the warp pipes could be replaced by Toilets.
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As far as I'm aware, licensed games don't qualify unless the references are more-or-less subtle (e.g. the giant sphinx head from Bart Vs. The World).

@MoneyMan: You know, it's funny that you should mention Cave Story, because I was about to suggest the possibility of including references to original web games like that and La Mulana. As long as none of their protagonists get suggested as playables, it should be fine. ^_^

I Wanna Be the Guy, on the other hand...I'm doubtful if that one could work, since it has many video game references, on its own.
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@G.M.M.: Even when the Minus World's name is based around a glitch, this world isn't made to represent any glitches, or make levels based on them. That idea was suggested before and taken down several times, I think the confusion originated because the old devs didn't know what was with it either lol, at some point I think MISSINGNO was gonna be the world boss.. I could be wrong though. There were official levels based on weird things like Feline Fortress too lol.

hmmm, somehow I knew someone would of suggested that...... well it was a shot..... right? :no:
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@MoneyMan: You know, it's funny that you should mention Cave Story, because I was about to suggest the possibility of including references to original web games like that and La Mulana. As long as none of their protagonists get suggested as playables, it should be fine. ^_^
Why not an indie games level then, they are popular, everybody knows one or two of them and would be a great shout out for those guys. There could be Cave Story in it, La Mulana, some of those independent games that made it big, fo' example Alien Hominid too. Also it's a populrar habit now between indie developers to cameo each others games since Super Meat Boy.
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Glad to see that you agree, Bloodgrey. :D Also, referencing Alien Hominid seems like a good idea and would be fitting, since the game it was inspired by has prominent presence in MKF.

Come to think of it, since this game is pretty hard, I suppose IWBTG can be referenced too. Although, it would need to not be too hard. After all, MKF is easier... :coy:
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