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| Silent | May 30 2011, 04:01 PM Post #26 |
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I'm going to have to be the devil's advocate here. This battle does look fun, but I hate the dialogue. A lot. It sounds like some kind of terrible fanfiction. Peach sounds too out of character. Bowser kidnapping Yoshi and all this suspense around Yoshi sounds like he's some kind of key to ultimate power, which he's not. He's just used to inhale projectiles in order to harm Bowser. And I'm pretty sure that Bowser turning into a child isn't the best idea. I was expecting a "teen Bowser" or something. I know, I sound like I'm ranting. Criticise my response if you wish, but I just think the way this scene unfolds is a bit "awkward" if I were to put it right. Despite this, I still enjoy the effort you put into the battle itself. |
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| JudgeSpear | May 30 2011, 04:35 PM Post #27 |
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How would you suggest it be fixed? And a "teen Bowser" will make things seem even more like a "terrible fanfiction" than you purport the dialogue to be. In fact, I feel you contradict yourself by mentioning those two in the same post. We welcome comments, good or bad. However, if you will give us bad feedback, at the very least suggest to us how you want us to best deal with it. |
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| Silent | May 30 2011, 05:26 PM Post #28 |
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Yeah, the Teen Bowser was a bad suggestion; I know. Anyways, maybe Peach could sound more relieved to see Mario or at least make her acknowledge that she's talking to Mario? Lemme give it a try: Peach: Mario! Oh thank goodness you're here! Please help! I don't know how I did it, but I managed to escape Bowser's clutches! I remained hidden nearby because I knew you would come this far to help me. Now it's time for me to help you for a change. (Exposition about green orb blah blah blah) Peach: Mario, Bowser's strength has increased tenfold. Your usual tactics will not work on him. And that's not all; he captured Yoshi as well! Mario, you must save Yoshi! And be careful...please. I've got a bad feeling about this. ...Or something along these lines. The point I'm making is that I think there was too much emphasis on Yoshi's use. I'm pretty sure that keeping it as vague as this will allow the player to catch on that Yoshi is needed to damage Bowser. And now that I think about it, the Baby Bowser concept is a pretty neat idea, and I guess I came off a little harsh there. Sorry about that. |
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| WhiteRoseBrian | May 30 2011, 06:22 PM Post #29 |
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That last post does provide some good potential lines that seem to fit. It's worth a try, isn't it? As a matter of fact, if you don't mind, I'd like to suggest a scene or a partial scene within a private message. |
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| JudgeSpear | May 30 2011, 06:34 PM Post #30 |
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@Silent Yes, that is indeed much better than what is currently being used. The current Peach dialogue does put too much emphasis on Yoshi. It's better to do away with the handholding and let players figure it out themselves. Yoshi is in the boss room after all. That should be enough indication that he plays a part in the fight. |
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| Warcheeso | May 30 2011, 11:50 PM Post #31 |
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ah, ok. I see where you are coming from. Seeing as you have other Plans then, I will cease and wait to see what you do when the time comes. As for what I have read after this response, yes, Since Peach will be delivering the message then, I certainly agree that quite a bit of Dialogue editing is in order.. so the characters "sound" like the characters. Knowing Bowser, he might have a "Gwahahar" in there... it is rare that I ever see "Muahaha" portrayed his laugh. Given a little bit of time, if you wish I can take a crack at some the dialogue using the material provided (particularly for Bowser, Peach looks like she was already mostly "spoken for" XD), and see if it is any better to use. If you are going for the "Yoshi has been captured" or "Yoshi is being held Prisoner" bit for this particular fight, maybe it would be a good Idea to keep him out of the level. What I mean with that is for one, don't give the player Yoshi at the beginning , or Maybe you can for a certain portion of the level, then Have a Magikoopa (Maybe Kamek or Kammy?) swoop in and take him away from you. I think this would work great for sections you don't want the player to be using Yoshi. |
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| JudgeSpear | May 31 2011, 12:22 AM Post #32 |
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It is already hard coded that Yoshi needs to be used in the Bowser fight. Changing it will screw up what's in now. Without spoiling anything, losing Yoshi during the Baby Bowser phase will be costly to you during the fight. It's also been decided to characterize the characters properly, so the dialogue in the video no longer pertains to what will be in the release. We will get Bowser's verbal tics in the final version. For the record, we understand the rather passionate stance for keeping the major characters' dialogue in character. We hastily wrote down anything without regard to character, just as a placeholder so that the game has dialogue at those moments. We wrote Bowser and Peach's dialogue as if they were reciting lines from a teleprompter or belching back a story synopsis from a game manual hahaha Bear with us the dialogue you see in the video for a while. We will make it a point to write major characters' dialogues in character from here on out. Edited by JudgeSpear, May 31 2011, 12:48 AM.
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| Warcheeso | May 31 2011, 01:14 AM Post #33 |
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that was a My bad in communicating what I meant... I did not mean getting rid of him for the Bowser fight That is awesome the way it is, and I know that is hard coded into the fight just by watching the video. I was talking for some point before you reach the Boss room or something, then you get Yoshi again when the time is right.err.. forgive me if my giving a bit of input or suggestions was somewhat annoying ![]() hahah! it's ok, I understand that... when writing scripts and stories, they are always bound to undergo revisions. I shall Cringe until it is done properly Edited by Warcheeso, May 31 2011, 01:16 AM.
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| JudgeSpear | May 31 2011, 01:57 AM Post #34 |
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Since the current dialogue is known to everyone, there is no spoilerage (misspelled on purpose) by posting the new in-character dialogue revisions. Thanks to Silent and Warcheeso for helping with direction. Peach's message: "Oh...Mario...thank goodness you are here!" "I somehow escaped Bowser's clutches and I hid close by because I knew you'd come this far." "Now, it is time for me to help you for a change, Mario." "Be careful of Bowser just ahead of me. He holds a green orb with strange powers." "Bowser's strength also has increased tenfold. Your usual tactics will not help you this time." "And that's not all! He captured Yoshi as well! You must save Yoshi!" "You please be careful, too, Mario! I...I have a very bad feeling about this..." Bowser's pre-battle dialogue: "Gwa ha ha ha! Welcome, Mario!" "Princess Peach is not here! She might be in another castle! Gwa ha ha!!!" "I found your green donkey pal snooping around my keep! He won't be meddling from that cage there! Gwa ha ha!!" //Yoshi in the cage "You and I have a score to settle, Mario!" "You and your green-clad brother have foiled my many plans, but it ends now!" "I have the tool that will put you in your place! Gwa ha ha!!!" "You're in for it now, Mario! A wimp like you is no match for the power of time! Never!" "The Mushroom Kingdom will be mine after I flatten you with my massive new power!" Bowser uses the Green Orb: "Gwa ha ha ha!!!## I gotta admit, I'm getting old for this! Too old!" "Feast your eyes upon this Green Orb, Mario! Know what it can do?" "It will make me young again! And listen to this, Mario..." "...I will get my blazing speed back! Your green donkey will remember! Gwa ha ha!!!" "Breathe a sigh of relief, Mario, because it'll be your last!" "Know why?! Because this is finally the end! THE END OF YOU!" Bowser now uses some lines directly from other games (Super Mario Galaxy 2 for the Green Orb dialogue, for example) and references quotes from others (Super Mario 64 for the pre-battle). EDIT: Revised to remove much of the wordiness. Edited by JudgeSpear, May 31 2011, 02:52 AM.
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| Warcheeso | May 31 2011, 04:33 AM Post #35 |
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Looking much better Judge Now, if I may, I shall now take my crack at Bowser's Dialogue:Pre-battle Dialogue: "GWAHAHA! Surprise Surprise, if it isn't My arch Nemesis Mario! I have been expecting you!" "If Peach is what you are after, You are too late! she already left.... I don't know how she managed to escape my clutches, but she isn't here. That Doesn't Matter though, because She isn't Important to my plans Right now... I am Going to Trounce You Mario!" "You and Your Friends have been a chip in my shell for far too long... oh.. and speaking of your friends...." *Bowser throws something at the cage above you, waking up a sleeping Yoshi* "I caught Your Green Lizard pal snooping my fortress! HAH! as if he could stop me! You Definitely cannot Stop me This time! and Don't even THINK he can help you either! He won't be leaving that cage. GWAHAHAHAHAHARRR!!!" "Here I come Mario! This is it for you!" *commence Phase one of the battle* In case the player uses Luigi "Well Lookie here, Looks Like Mario's pathetic Brother What's-his-name is here... GWAHAHAHAR!! I knew one of you would Show up Green Stache! you plumbers are too predictable!" "If Peach is what you are after, You are too late! she already left.... I don't know how she managed to escape my clutches, but she isn't here. That Doesn't Matter though, because She isn't Important to my plans... I am Going to Trounce You Green!" "You, Your Brother, and his Pals have been thorns in my feet for far too long... oh.. and speaking of your friends...." *Bowser throws something at the cage above you, waking up a sleeping Yoshi* "I caught Your Green Lizard pal snooping my fortress! HAH! as if he could stop me! You think You can defeat me? Don't Make me laugh... er.. what's your name... and Don't even THINK your Green Donkey can help you! He won't be leaving that cage. GWAHAHAHAHAHARRR!!!" "You are trembling in fear! GWAHAHA!! Hold Still, and I will make this nice and Quick!" *commence phase one of the battle* Bowser and the green orb *after his "Gwooooooaaaaooooooh!!" scream sound* "I am getting to old for this! Luckily, I have a Secret Weapon that will Help me Defeat you THIS time, Plumber!" "Feast Your eyes on This little Beauty that Came right to me.. Behold! My Secret Weapon!" *shows off the orb* "This Orb gives Me power! I can Make myself Younger, Regaining my Speed and stamina! You are No Match for a Younger, Much Faster ME!" *transforms into Baby Bowser* *does the pointing animation* "It is Finally time To settle my Score with you! The Time when I Finally Defeat my Arch Nemesis, and take my place as the rightful owner of the Mushroom Kingdom alongside The Princess.... Right after I End your game, ONCE AND FOR ALL!" *Begin the next part of the battle* Edited by Warcheeso, May 31 2011, 04:35 AM.
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| TheomanZero | May 31 2011, 02:19 PM Post #36 |
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The new dialog looks a lot better. Sorry Warcheeso, but I prefer JS's new dialog to yours. Though the idea of Bowser throwing something at the cage to wake up Yoshi could work. |
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| JudgeSpear | Jun 17 2011, 11:24 PM Post #37 |
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[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwHgcJdNwn0[/utube] In World 2, new map battles await Mario and his companions! In addition to wandering Metal Slug Rebel soldiers, you will have to battle against Grenade Tanks, a Rocket Tank, and a Rebel Helicopter! Other updates in this video: *World 1 Map Battles: the proper Bro map icons are now assigned to the respective fights (Fire Bros, Sledge Bros, etc) *Yellow Switch Palace: this is the Switch Palace for World 2. It is an evil puzzle with a 3-up moon waiting at the end. |
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| GirlFromCambridge | Jun 17 2011, 11:43 PM Post #38 |
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TINY MINI SKIRTS!!!!
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I like how you use Advance Wars sprites to represent the enemy vehicles on the map. Perhaps they could be used in MKF as well? |
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| JudgeSpear | Jun 18 2011, 12:01 AM Post #39 |
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MKF has just Rebel Soldier map battles so far. When MKF gets vehicle map battles, I'm sure they will use the Advance Wars sprites for the map too. |
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| TheomanZero | Jun 19 2011, 05:04 PM Post #40 |
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Maybe you should move the helicopter a little lower. It looks like you can only just barely reach it, if you're lucky. Other than that, it looks very good. The vehicle encounters look like they really keep you on your toes. |
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That is awesome the way it is, and I know that is hard coded into the fight just by watching the video. I was talking for some point before you reach the Boss room or something, then you get Yoshi again when the time is right.