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Topic Started: Oct 8 2012, 08:00 PM (454 Views)
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Well i dont know how hard u want to make or how easy u want to make these rates..but i think these rates are not so easy...i say they are even hard kinda... so... what do u think Admin and u ppl to make money worth something ? that will be at start... i gues. And later will be trade items for items or even in gold bars dunno...

atm u can get silver bars at Isilon servants.. and its not easy drop. then u can get gold coins at cardinals its medium drop but what u think that all this dropable coins and bars are kinda harder to get ? and that money get value here... dunno i like more farm.

Lets talk about that what u ppls think and your ideas...
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I totaly agree, I myself like to see that even FP's have a value ingame, even to see people pking in fp sets+7, since what people do now is get a goblin set and go golems... and with that u totaly miss the FP's so they r kinda useless... i say u should decrease chittin droprate, let the fp droprate be as it is now, also if u whana make this happen and get the lower items to be worth something, u have to lower the exp rate badly... and the reason for that is ebcouse u dont want to walk around as a lvl 60 sin/warrior or w/e with fps, so if u lower the exp rate people will go farm for lower items, wich makes a maket to, and yes ofc its harder to lvl but it would give so mutch items in the game more usefull, since on the low lvls u wont even have the stats for chittins so u actually HAVE TO farm for fp's, well thats a idea u can do, tell me what u think
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if u ask me idea is not bad...

what Admin need to have in mind is.. how will react this new ppl that comes in game after 2 weeks or 1 month of server... we know that ppl say aa server is already old i will not make it... and stuff like that...

and to make an hardcore server i dont know how good option is that... and we dont want PK server we want something in middle...

So i prefer maybe...maybe to instead of gold coins example cardinals drop silver coins... and worms drop bronze coin ( bronze coin - idea from old sexyko if i remember.. ) or something like that dont know...

and yes if u ask me i would like to see that Full Plates have some value in game.. and cleavers and xbows and bardishes etc...

comon guys post your ideas :P and Admin u too :D
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Tanith

1ste Money

now this is a difficult subject! mind that when exping we need to rpr! and pot's! this can be fixed fast n easy, rpr cost little to nothing alrdy so leave that! as for exp pot's because it's beta i have not checked the 360hp and 480 mp pot's but make those cheap as can be, they are 100% useless for pvp! and are useless for anything above a DTS this will help new players a lot when exping and they do not waste money on pots for exp.


now that we got the direct expenses of any new player aside. we can focus on how we get money in the first place.
we have a few options,

>Opal/Crudes/Crystals
now these are very important! you need them for every quest! it's nice they drop from Wrosm but id be better if Worm got the worste droprate and you increade the droprate to better mobs! instead of having 3 mages running infront of moradon, let them kill scorpions or zombies for them! now the balance of the droprate is hard, to high and it will become the main income source and to low and they will never be an income source

> Busses
FIX THE NPC! it says it's 1.3mil, but it's 300k..... so that's out of the way xD
now let those drop in stages aswell, werewolf is fine but give them to apos, golem, harpy aswell! or let them drop in remote area's in CZ! finding the right solution about where to drop or droprate is not mine, the problem regarding money is about for how mutch you sell them!
let's say you buy them for 1.3mil in store. and you sell them for 200k, then ppl that farm them are more eager to sell them on the street for 500k. you create a market! but therefor the droprate needs to be very well balanced otherwise ppl farm instead of buying them from hardcore farmers! or koxpers! beware of those in a "FARM server"

> Besses, including hp/dex ect.
SAME AS BUSSES! fix npc and apply same general idea.

> Bronze, silver, gold coins
Now, when busses are not the "main source of income" becouse they are sold on the market to ppl! we do need a way to give the people coins to run a ingame economie. these coins might help. picture a 5% or 10% droprate of bronze coins in all moradon mobs, a 5% or 10% of silver in all "Soloble creeps in the rest of the server" and gold coins in those ppl party for(giant golem, raven, troll warrior, falcon stuff like that)

> SB/GB
and then the populare sb's and gb's! if you let these drop, do it from mobs like the Dm family(play with rate amoung the family.), isiloon soldiers, your own creations aka bitfrost mobs? (HELL make bitfrost work... 65+ ultimate farm grounds lol,2.5% better droprates there or whatever. Intro Exeptional weapons i duno and give the Bitfrost bosses GB droprate of 50% instead of bitfrost items, il kill them with my clan couse we all got expenses and ppl generaly like to change cape collor and so on. BUT NON OF THE ACTUAL BITFROST ITEMS!)


so my opinion of money xD


as for FP!

hard topic... lower goblin droprate and ppl get mad. i do xD im mage:p i whana farm pads every now and then to try my luck for a goblin pads of crimson or omfg complete :wub: but anyway, for FP to have any sort of meaning the "exp rate" needs to be adjusted! like, 4/5 day's to reach 60, 4/5 day's to reach 65 and an other to reach 70. now these "estimates are for hardcore no-lifers" and i doubt we will attract meny ppl when doing so.

also keep inmind, if busses are Valueble! and with a party your capable to slide a golem on lvl 55 after exping on deru all day! with goblin armors, you will not once! consider usung a BUS on FP if chittins are just 3hours away!

it's better if FP droprate is increased abit, and chittins keep the same or lower them abit? now this ofc goes for mid classs weapons aswell...
REMOVE IB FROM GOLEM! make it drop like any other highclass weapon from DM, boro and so on. otherwise not a single mid class rogue item will haveeffect as every1 will go archer couse then they hit better then any1 els.

id say let's balance the drops, drop locations, droprate abit? like and this is fictional, Golems have a 10% droprate but Giant golems have a 20%, instead of Solo sliding you create parties. BLANCE the droprate of the parts, i remmember id get tons of gloves and boots(crimson) and almost no helmets lol. same princeple of mirage daggers and glaves, normal mobs low rate better mobs highrate.
now the rates and all are for the admin to deside couse this is also a carefull balance between droprate and upgraderate xD imean spending 2 hours on harpy, being all proud of your 5 md's and you burn all to +4 xD i see a Rage quit w8ting to happen xD but then again it's the game and so what xD the point is every1 hates to see +8 weapons in the first week! we all aim for it but generaly we fail big time and when some1 does, he will be hated by the rest xD

anyway for now im out! my mind if flooding with idea's and im typing to mutch i doubt ppl will read all of it. xD
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Agreed on most things that you've brought up in the topic for now. :)

However I think the economy was mainly screwed up last time , because of the massive amounts of 'dragon' symbol reward. People made few gbs within of day. This issue has been taken care of complitely.

Decreasing chitin armor drop rate isnt maybe even necessary if we pull up the XP rates harder as they can't wear them anyway. Maybe few percent could be taken off from it. I do want have market alive and afk /merchanters as it really makes the farm servers unique as it is. Anvil aswell is hard as everyone that has been playing in MYKOr is aware of it. Let's say you farm tons of chitin part +1 and you luckily reach +4/5?

I'd personally never had any feedback about cardinal droprate (dunno if people were selfish or . :P ) but this is the first time someone brings it up that they drop quite alot.

Cardinals : Silver coin
Bulture : bronze coin?
SG/GG/APOS/DERU : gold coin?

Aswell could allow DM drop 'silver bar' with low droprate thefor clans could really pull up some cash for clan bank.

@tanith I understand where you are coming from, but its not that easy to controll that when specific items drop ecspecially when they are set as ITEM group that is runned by percent only.
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Oct 9 2012, 09:14 AM
Agreed on most things that you've brought up in the topic for now. :)

However I think the economy was mainly screwed up last time , because of the massive amounts of 'dragon' symbol reward. People made few gbs within of day. This issue has been taken care of complitely.

Decreasing chitin armor drop rate isnt maybe even necessary if we pull up the XP rates harder as they can't wear them anyway. Maybe few percent could be taken off from it. I do want have market alive and afk /merchanters as it really makes the farm servers unique as it is. Anvil aswell is hard as everyone that has been playing in MYKOr is aware of it. Let's say you farm tons of chitin part +1 and you luckily reach +4/5?

I'd personally never had any feedback about cardinal droprate (dunno if people were selfish or . :P ) but this is the first time someone brings it up that they drop quite alot.

Cardinals : Silver coin
Bulture : bronze coin?
SG/GG/APOS/DERU : gold coin?

Aswell could allow DM drop 'silver bar' with low droprate thefor clans could really pull up some cash for clan bank.

@tanith I understand where you are coming from, but its not that easy to controll that when specific items drop ecspecially when they are set as ITEM group that is runned by percent only.
my knowledge is 0 when it comes to knight online databaes and any skillz that one needs to pull this off.

im a man of idea's, some will bring great things, some will never be possible and some are just horrible xD

anyway, my whole point is just to keep you thinking about possibilities and options, you can do what ever you like with what ever i say xD and besides you develop, you make, you know what can and can not be done xD


in the past i wrote entire idea's for private servers of a game called "Tibia" and i created the matching maps and worlds for it, others wrote the codes to make items and run the server xD i was the ïdealist" xD i got no developing skills(C++ and what ever you need:p)
Edited by Tanith, Oct 9 2012, 11:28 AM.
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The possibilities of features that can be implented is lots and if USKO server has managed to create some feature than we can implent it aswell. Thought it would mean that we need upgrade from version to version to make these happen. For moment im working with OLD KO source.

But again you must aswell keep the suggestions in a path of oldskool style. Surely I could implent wings and shitloads of new features , but it would totally kill the idea that MYKOr want to present.

merely I want ideas for ingame/drop rates (i.e red,green,blue chest) and such as.
Edited by Admin, Oct 9 2012, 11:33 AM.
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besides my crazy out of the blue idea of turning biffrost into a lvl 65+ farm ground with nothing els then highclass items(NO real bitfrost items!) and bosses drop GB for a %, nothing i sayd was other then original myko xD

anyway, as you mention chests, either make then drop by like Dreadmare or make Ft working? these chests need to be earned the hard way or we will have bp's with hellbreakers in a week or 2
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Tanith
Oct 9 2012, 11:36 AM
besides my crazy out of the blue idea of turning biffrost into a lvl 65+ farm ground with nothing els then highclass items(NO real bitfrost items!) and bosses drop GB for a %, nothing i sayd was other then original myko xD

anyway, as you mention chests, either make then drop by like Dreadmare or make Ft working? these chests need to be earned the hard way or we will have bp's with hellbreakers in a week or 2
Im already working on re-writing the FT system because the source of it really is full of flaws. The FT is working 1/10 times it gonna reward you.

This is caused because it gonna skip the stages and it won't reward you cause of it as it won't notice the FT was complited. It should load all -56 stages , but unfortunetly this current FT code only finish all 56 very rarely and skip the rest. That is the main reason why im re-writing the event.

Im not sure about that bifrost? Maybe it could be ardream and allowing only certain level enter there? (would also allow PKing) in xx level.
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i say blue chests only at Forgotten because forgotten is funny and interesting :D
green chests - maybe to be droped at low rate at atross
red chest- hmm... maybe at low rate too at boroo or only Doom soldiers because they have huge amount of HP and isnt fast kill :P plus to that is low drop rate lol :D


Admin for that bronze coins i say put to be droped at more mobs... not only bulture its not fair...
maybe all that bulture family and kecon family ? maybe even bandicot family ?? its only 10 k... and we want larger farm spot... and ofc dont make it stackable...
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