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Seraphiel
Topic Started: Jan 6 2007, 12:54 AM (551 Views)
Big Calson
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Can anyone here vouch for this kid? Go into the Inner Sanctuary and read his topics. I don't know about this one, he seems a little out there. Yeah, I did rebut one of his topics, but don't get me wrong - I'm not out for his blood or anything. I want to hear your opinions about him.

Oh, then there's his join post:

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I've seen AoG play and have been to a couple of the recruitment games,haven't played Halo in about 4 months but I think I'm here to stay.


And later in that thread...

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Well,I've played Halo for 2 years, I've got a cheat engine with which I-NOT CHEAT-take cheaters,modify their adresses and make them look like idiots while they stand there unable to do anything short of exit out.^^Because I am awesome.


I agree with Schutz's comment on that, about feeling uncomfortable with a cheater. I am pretty "meh" on admitting this guy into the clan.

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I completely agree with you. I really don't like the idea of a cheater, whether he cheats or not, into the clan.
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well, we have to give everybody a fare chance to come in to the clan, but i say we just observe him play and see how good he really is, with ot without cheats.
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yes, there's no question about him being a bit, wierd. I dont even think what he is saying about un-cheating people is even possible. He might just be full of bologna. But, he could be a potential threat (cheating, getting angry and hacking our site, etc). I also dont see why someone would come here, and right away start posting about serious topics and talking about his opinions.

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Well,it's nice to see that someone actually cares


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yeah he seems a bit out there about his faith and what we know the Holy Spirit has lead us to understand, maybe he is a new born christian and is just trying to find out...I dont see anything wrong with that, btu I do take concern with the cheat thing, lets get him to explain about it...Ben, I loike the way you put the hammer down on that thread...I was like whoa!! LOL nice job bro!!
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i was going to grant membership to this guy... sheez i need to read more..in the Inner Santuary
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i say if we are goin to admit him make him lose the cheat thingy if he really has it...
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OK, so I locked that poll thread in the Inner Sanctuary. In the final message, I asked him to PM me if he disagreed or had any questions - standard stuff. So then I get this:

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Well,I just wanted to say that after your post and locking the poll I was a little ****ed off. Slavish personal gratification wasn't my motive,I just wanted to realize who agreed with who more,the beginning of what you call a debate. That was what the original thread was about,to figure things out. What you call thought. I personally don't care about the poll being locked because of it being a popularity contest,even though all polls are. I just made this message on the basis of you misunderstanding my motive for making it. I wouldn't be gratified by people thinking I'm right,because I know I'm right. Anyway I just thought it was necessary to make this message so you understand me a little better.

As I said before I don't care if the poll is locked because of the "popularity contest". Although I just want you to understand me better so this doesn't happen again.


Oh, OK. Thanks for clearing up concepts like "debate" and "thought" because, you know, I have trouble with those sometimes. Next he says the poll wasn't a popularity contest (but in the next breath says that all polls are popularity contests.) But anyway, he doesn't care, and knows he's right, and also knows that I am wrong (I misunderstood him).

Hahaha...whatever. You know, real debate is a tool for people to learn about new ideas, and possibly re-examining your own ideas. Obviously, he doesn't understand that (because he's right...about everything, it seems.)

I'm gonna go ahead an give this little whippersnapper the thumbs-down for admittance. He disagreed with MW, then needed a poll to prove he was right (which, BTW, was not going in his favor at all when I closed it.) He likes to play God with other people's Halo games, as we saw in the cheater thread. I'm willing to let the whole inner sanctuary thing slide, but combined with the hacker thing - no dice.

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I completely agree, he's an immature loose cannon in my opinion. The inner sanctuary poll only solidified that for me. I already had doubts about him from his very first post containing the words "I" and "cheat".
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Ive gotten to know this guy and id like to take back my earlier statement(it was this post but its edited now)

ive gotten to know him and it seems his interests are in all aspects well-inteded. i think we should let him in but we should keep a close eye with him and have a talk with him
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Well, it seems to me that he is genuine about joining, from his posts he seems like he wants to know more about the faith. I just think we need to talk to him about his cheat prog. and let him know how we stand on that sort of thing. But other than that, I think we should allow him in.
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I say he sheds it or we don't let him in period, I don't condone cheating in any fashion.
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Read the topic about Seraphiel in Open Discussion.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/armyofgodhalo/i...0&#entry2493736

Cliff's Notes Version:

1. He asks Karter for warez (for CS Source). ILLEGAL
2. He considers using his parents' credit card without them knowing about it. ILLEGAL
3. He alludes to his "porno collection" more than one time. ILLEGAL
4. He swears a lot. NOT ILLEGAL

All right, let's talk about this. Technically he didn't break any of our rules, as this was all conducted outside of the forum and servers. But it does say more than we knew about his character. Personally, I don't care about the porno thing or his language. The warez thing, well, we've all been there. The credit card fraud is more serious. I know he's only 14, but didn't it occur to him to buy a prepaid mastercard or visa? It''s like a gift card, but more versatile. He says he has money to buy the game (but his parents wouldn't let him.)

Heck, I've pulled off more than my fair share of shady things when I was his age. But in light of the other things he's been noted for in this forum, I must say that this doesn't reflect well - it tarnishes our image as well as his.

What do you guys think?

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Yeah... I talked to him for about an hour, then Razor and me talked to him for some time...he was like this cool kid and mellow and all that, then I read that IM, I am not to happy with what was being said in it, And let alone that he knows Karter from the other aog clan....Karter isnt that bad, but how is he involved with that clan?? So needless to say, im not too happy with him right now!! One of our officers has even mentioned that he reminds him of Tyrael....his arrogance. My main beef is he is involved with the other aog.....is he a spy?? Im not worried about them spying on us, I just dont like the fact that he is here for the wrong things...not loyal to the clan. So what do you guys think??
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Well, in my opinion, I think he will be fine in AoG. If he screws up, we can always do whatever it takes to solve the problem. Joining AoG may be a good thing for him. Heck, maybie he will learn some things and become a better person.

as for Tyrael, I heard a rumor he is on our chatango as "anon1"
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well sam id have to disagree. people like this dont belong here. this is a major weakness ive seen in aog. we dont get a steady flow of recruits, so when we get 1 or 2 active members we get all excited and let them join. this is how people like spoofy and samauri, and the newer versions: tyrael/infinite and chan got in. we need to focus more on the quality of our members instead of there BEING members. its like we're in a drought so we drink the first liquid we see, whether its water or acid. sorry if this seemed like ranting, it was just my opinion.

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I fully agree. I saw the quality of his character when he said that he use a "cheat engine". I don't care if you're hacking the hackers, or hacking for your own personal gain, hacking is hacking. Dishonesty and changing the play of the game to intentionally harm another's game experience is unforgivable and a permaban in my own personal book. To me, we should have realized how un-AoG this kid was, and yes I know we accept a lot that turn out to be alright later, but some just need to be steered clear of. If anyone knows who I'm about to make this reference to, you know what I'm talking about; He seems much like "King Noob" from back in the day in SC.
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So what should we do?? One thing I just remembered him saying...and Razor correct me if im wrong, he said something to the fact that he thought we would ban him from our foums when we approached him about his cheat engine, in my mind that is saying he was already expecting to get the boot. Like maybe it had happened before in another clan or more...maybe he is one of those professional clan jumpers?? Someone we dont need here. I admit, it was a mistake letting him in. We have 2 options -

1. release him from the clan and explain at this time we do not feel he is the best for AoG, but allow him to stay a forum member and fellowship (maybe he will see how we handle things and change by example

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2. let him remain a member but watch him like a hawk!! If he does anything that warrants expulsion, then at least we have a reason....this one is the tougher of the 2 choices, that means we are allowing him to wear our tag and represent us and just sitting back and waiting for him to damage our name.
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P.S....

I am of the mind that we should go with #1. But this is a tough call...if we do this, then we are not giving him the benefit of the doubt, there isnt a rule saying we have to be perfect angels to be in this clan....yes, I would like all the members to be good christians of fine morale fiber like Wraith and Kero and the rest of you, but we all fall short!! We all make mistakes and we all have been sent here for a purpose, Iron sharpens Iron...that is one of the main reasons we are here, to lift each other up and help each other out with our weaknesses by being that example....This kid is obviously not AoG material, neither was Chan, Tyrael, or a few other members we have allowed in, but we gave them a chance...they blew it. So this kid, maybe we pull him aside in the members section and all give him a few words of how we feel about his actions and how we would like to see him change and grow out of them.....tell him will stand by him, but also let him know if anything comes down, we will have to start sanctioning him and possible have him leave, due to the severity of the action.


* And in the future, I do think we should be a bit more selective!! We do tend to jump on recruits too fast lately.
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Give him the boot. This issue is already taking up too much of our collective time, and frankly the last thing we need is another iffy member. If he turns around to everyone's satisfaction, then we can reserve the right to let him back in.
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