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Ukraine; Ukraine & Russia - Putin backers & protesters
Topic Started: 18 Dec 2013, 09:59 PM (3,476 Views)
Owlish52
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The imbalance of power - Military Forces of Ukraine

Army: 63,100 soldiers
Reserves: approximately 1 million
Tanks: 686
Armoured Combat Vehicles (APCs mostly): 2,000

817 aircraft of all types; 43,100 personnel
11 warships (flagship is in Crete, on the way back to Ukraine from an anti-piracy mission in the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean)

Even with their reserves called up, the Ukrainian military is perhaps a bit more than a speed bump against the Russians.
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I hope it doesn't come to that to be honest.
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I think the Russians have got a point. The legitimate government of Ukraine has been ousted so surely all they are doing is looking after the interests of the Russian people living in the Crimea.

I think Obama and Cameron need to wind their necks in.
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One of these impossible to sort situations. Crimea wasn't even 'Russian speaking' a century ago, they've simply housed people out there in exactly the same way as Moldova.

It's changed hands so many times as to hardly have an authentic identity ...

The Cimmerians, Greeks, Scythians, Goths, Huns, Bulgars, Khazars, the state of Kievan Rus', Byzantine Greeks, Kipchaks, Ottoman Turks, Golden Horde Tatars and the Mongols all controlled Crimea in its early history. In the 13th century, it was partly controlled by the Venetians and by the Genovese; they were followed by the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire in the 15th to 18th centuries, the Russian Empire in the 18th to 20th centuries, the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and later the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic within the Soviet Union. In 1991 it became part of independent Ukraine, as the Autonomous Republic Crimea.

What do we make of that?
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Situation now -



Causes
Opposition to the Euromaidan movement
Opposition to the Yatsenyuk Government
Repeal of language law that protected minority languages


Methods
Protests
Unmarked military operations in Crimea
Concentration of Russian Military Forces
General mobilization in Ukraine


Status

Russian military intervention.

Gunmen seize government buildings and raise the flag of Russia. Gunmen (claimed by Ukrainian government to be Russian soldiers) seized main airports.

Under siege, the Supreme Council of Crimea is dissolved and a new Prime Minister of Crimea is installed.

New Members of the Supreme Council of Crimea vote to hold a self-sovereignty referendum on 30 March.

Viktor Yanukovych appears in the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don, denies legitimacy of the post-revolution government in Kiev, and reasserts claim to the Ukrainian presidency.

Pro-Russian protests spread to Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

No central government control over Crimea

Ukraine's Navy minister defects, declares support for the new Crimean government. Ukraine's flagship defects to Russia.

Russia denounces the Yatsenyuk Government as illegitimate.

Edited by daib0, 2 Mar 2014, 10:15 PM.
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The hypocrisy of politicians never fails to amaze me. Russia is being condemned for 'invading' a sovereign territory, even though it has the vested interests of some of its own people to consider. And yet when those doing the condemning invade other countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, that's okay.

Can't say I'm very confident of us being able to help resolve the situation if the best person we have to send is Sinex.
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I've not been watching the news but I assume they are basing that on the treaty signed in Budapest over the nuclear program? I do wish our PM (whoever it happens to be at the time, they all seem as bad as each other) would stop sticking their nose into everyone else's business and try dealing with a few of the issues at home for a change.
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There is talk we are giving the rebels one billion,are we insane?

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5 Mar 2014, 08:19 PM
There is talk we are giving the rebels one billion,are we insane?
Sorry, it was hanging about on the sideboard for so long didn't know what else to do with it! :)


Totally agree really. Two sides to this argument and no easy solution. Can see Ukraine becoming a smaller country and Russia reclaiming some of it.
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5 Mar 2014, 10:57 PM
Hayes
5 Mar 2014, 08:19 PM
There is talk we are giving the rebels one billion,are we insane?
Sorry, it was hanging about on the sideboard for so long didn't know what else to do with it! :)


Totally agree really. Two sides to this argument and no easy solution. Can see Ukraine becoming a smaller country and Russia reclaiming some of it.
Good grief, we could dredge all our rivers with that amount. Somerset could even begin to see some land for the first time in 3 months!!! Shouldn't the UN be dealing with it not us?

I'm not so sure that splitting the Ukraine is a bad idea. Let those who wish to be an independent Ukraine that may or may not join the EU at some stage live in one half and those who wish to remain part of Russia or linked with Russia in the other half. If it brings peace to the region without more deaths or a war that no-one can really afford then just sit down, agree it and do it. Both sides win & neither loses.
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