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Topic Started: 28 Feb 2015, 06:10 PM (1,816 Views)
Owlish52
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I'd like to make some suggestions for general consideration for the game for next season:

I think the bonus points idea is good in general, but too high with regard to the game forecast points. I'd like to double the scores for all the forecasts, so we might have:

Points System

1020 points - correct result e.g. you predict Reading 3-1 Wolves and the result is Reading 3-1 Wolves
816 points - correct draw e.g. you predict Reading 1-1 Wolves and the result is Reading 2-2 Wolves
714 points - correct outcome with correct goal difference e.g. you predict Reading 1-0 Wolves and the result is Reading 2-1 Wolves
510 points - correct outcome with incorrect goal difference e.g. you predict Reading 3-1 Wolves and the result is Reading 1-0 Wolves
1 point - if you get the prediction completely wrong, you still get one point for taking part!

Bonus Points

You get bonus points for three things:

25 points - correct half-time score
5 points - correct goalscorer (NOTE: this season you get points for correctly predicting the Reading goalscorers of both Reading AND their opposition. You only get the points if the team score the same amount of goals as you predicted or more. This prevents prediction of ridiculous scorelines for more points.)
5 or 7 points - correctly predicting the 'bonus question', unique to each game within a range (somewhat loose for 5 points, 7 points for the closest to the actual)

The goal-scorer and bonus points remain the same, but an extra award of 2 points (7-point score) for the very closest guess - we've had two very close guesses on the bonus the last 2 matches, and I think they deserved an extra boost. The award of 7 points would be for the one who came closest to the actual 'bonus question answer', but only be awarded if there was one 'closest', which might make the 7-point award rare for a question like the number of cards, goals for a team or total goals, as two (or more) might get it exactly right. The time & attendance questions would be more likely to have a unique 'closest projection'.

This is just an idea, and I'd also like to open the discussion for other suggestions - this is YOUR game, so let's try to make it as interesting for each of you as possible. So comment away on this idea, and more importantly, what ideas do you have to share?
Edited by Owlish52, 1 Mar 2015, 07:43 AM.
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5 points - correct goalscorer (NOTE: this season you get points for correctly predicting the goalscorers of both Reading AND their opposition.

take the oppo out of it, only have points for READING scorers !!
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I don't care who scores for the opposition so agree that the points should apply to Reading scorers only
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Revised to change to Reading FC goalscorers only. Other ideas or suggestions? Please feel free!
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1 Mar 2015, 07:45 AM
Revised to change to Reading FC goalscorers only.
I'm agreed as said before. Otherwise it's just a wild guess on the opposition when we don't know who's likely to turn up, if they're injured etc. etc.
Edited by daib0, 1 Mar 2015, 11:23 AM.
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1 Mar 2015, 11:23 AM
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1 Mar 2015, 07:45 AM
Revised to change to Reading FC goalscorers only.
I'm agreed as said before. Otherwise it's just a wild guess on the opposition when we don't know who's likely to turn up, if they're injured etc. etc.
"Otherwise it's just a wild guess on the opposition when we don't know who's likely to turn up, if they're injured etc. etc. "

And this is different :O from the Reading scorers by? ;)
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It has been suggested that a potential Arsenal match be 'promoted' to a Double-Gold status (4x the 'normal' points). I am hesitant to make any changes, as I did not set the game up initially, and I do not want to 'change the game in the middle' on my own. But no one could have reasonably predicted a deep Cup run, so there is no provision for such an event. In my opinion, this is our game and I am only the custodian and scorekeeper, not the Umpire.

We have 13 players that have made 25 or more predictions; I feel it necessary for 9 of them (a bit over 2/3s of them) to positively approve any change like that to the game's rules. We have some time before any Arsenal game (and Monday's results might make it moot), so I ask each player to respond to the following questions:

Should the Arsenal game (if there is one) get a Promoted Score status at all?

If so, how much should the score be promoted (2x, 3x, 4x)?

If there are at least 9 votes from the frequent players for a change and there's not a strong agreement on what any multiplier might be, I'll make a new thread with a poll for the two most favored multiplier from this survey.

I'll start things off - I think it should be promoted (Yes to Question 1), but no more than a 'standard' Gold Game; 2x (to Question 2). IMO, the 'Gold Games' provide enough of a boost in the scoring; while a Cup Semi-Final (or even more so, a possible Final) might be a more significant match that even a top-6 match in the Championship, going too 'wild' for a match or two (well, it _could_ happen... ;) ) could get the scoring so strongly influenced by one or two results as to make it a matter of a couple of lucky guesses. Again, in my opinion, scoring well in a season-long competition does in fact reflect a degree of skill in predicting (yes, a fancy name for guessing), some 50 or so times the final result and several specific items in a match.

Honestly, I'd be happier if we just included a provision in next season's rules that a Cup Quarterfinal, Semi-Final or Final Match be considered a Gold Game and pass that forward. But it is not my call to make - it's our call, so I'll 'pass the buck' :$ to the Committee of the Whole :wave: for a vote! ;) :whistling:
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I'd say 'x3' for Arsenal - if we beat Bradford - for a 'Platinum Game'.
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15 Mar 2015, 06:27 PM
I'd say 'x3' for Arsenal - if we beat Bradford - for a 'Platinum Game'.
I was thinking exactly the same - x3. But agreed that it wasn't in the provisions.
Agreed that it might be stipulated in following seasons.
Whilst on the points thing I wonder if there are too many points going out in proportion... when players go into hundreds for a season then it gets a bit dizzy. My hunch would be to keep everything in proportion more or less but bring down the scales. Perhaps exact score 6 points or so, and everything else in accord ...
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For roughly 50 matches per season (including Cup competitions), hundreds of points are a virtual certainty, and high point top awards allow better 'definition' as you move thru the table of reward points, IMO. A few of my thoughts:

>Reduce the Scorer awards to say 2 points per scorer (from 5);

>Reduce the Bonus Question points to 2 points per match for each entry 'in-range' (from 5), but 3 points to the entry closest to (or tied for closest to) the actual value;

>Increase the Half-Time Score value to 3 points (from 2).

Giving a go for the opponent's scorer(s) is easy - I just check their team leading scorers (the BBC has this) and select as many of their top scorers as I think they'll get goals against Reading. It is a guess, but they are the other club's top scorers because they have shown they are more likely to score in the past.

Reducing the Scorer and Bonus points will be effective in dropping the total scores, and will make better predictions more important. Having those awards at 5 points but a correct half-time score at 2 seems very wrong to me; 2 and 3 for the half-time score seem more 'fair', but that's my opinion only. I note that those points have been very kind to me :$ , but I do think the reduction is a Good Thing.

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