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The next Labour leader.
Topic Started: 10 May 2015, 05:41 PM (3,894 Views)
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daib0
12 Aug 2015, 08:42 PM
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24 May 2015, 07:53 PM
Not really Keith. The referendum is going to take place and they have to get on with it. There is no point arguing against having a referendum as its happening.
Exactly! :thumbsup:

The Scottish Tories in the 1990s were so opposed to a Scottish Assembly/Parliament that when it was introduced ('97 wasn't it?) after a referendum it was virtually the end of Conservative representation in Scotland - they were in the impossible position of campaigning for MPs to a regionalized Scottish Parliament that they didn't believe should even exist!

Yep, you have to be VERY careful going against referendums :)
You won't get any arguments from me on that score. I'm all for democratic referendums. Just found it strange that for the past five years Labour were telling us all how opposed they were to an EU referendum, then as soon as Miliband has gone they're all for it.
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Corbyn win will make Labour utterly unelectable.

I like it ;) Thinking of joining the Labour Party just to vote for him! :)

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You just may end up with egg on your face Glenn. There is no great love for the Tories that's for sure.
As for Corbyn he will be a bit like Farage in that he is a straight talker and that is going to appeal to some folk. There are also huge swathes of people who do not vote especially youngsters who will be attracted to Corbyn.
He does not have to win over middle England necessarily.

He is anti EU which may well appeal to Labour voters who switched to UKIP. He also recorded the lowest expenses of all MPs.

There is a huge downside though. The press will have an easy target but then again they will try and destroy any Labour leader.
He would also cause division in the party too.

However to dismiss him as dead in the water before he even becomes leader is a tad presumptious.
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It's a funny old world isn't it ? Six months ago we were being given dire warnings about the dangers of voting for Nigel Farage and his party and many (not me) heaved a sigh of relief when he didn't get elected.
Instead we have the prospect of Alex Salmond and his troops holding the balance of power and Jeremy Corbyn wanting to turn the clock back thirty years.
As the saying goes "Be careful what you pray for"
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But as it is, the two main choices people have is Tory 1 party or Tory 2 party. There is nothing wrong with the old Labour policies. Their biggest problem forty years ago was that they were to close to the unions, which meant that every time the unions said jump, Labour asked how high. But as the Labour party originated from the unions I suppose that was inevitable to some degree.

But times have moved on, the unions have lost their power and, for me, an old style Labour party, with old style policies, without the interference of the unions, could be just the political boost this country needs. And as for Blair saying Corbyn will annihilate the Labour party is laughable, because he is as responsible as anyone for the state the party is in.
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13 Aug 2015, 08:50 AM
But as it is, the two main choices people have is Tory 1 party or Tory 2 party. There is nothing wrong with the old Labour policies. Their biggest problem forty years ago was that they were to close to the unions, which meant that every time the unions said jump, Labour asked how high. But as the Labour party originated from the unions I suppose that was inevitable to some degree.

But times have moved on, the unions have lost their power and, for me, an old style Labour party, with old style policies, without the interference of the unions, could be just the political boost this country needs. And as for Blair saying Corbyn will annihilate the Labour party is laughable, because he is as responsible as anyone for the state the party is in.
Great last point there Keith.
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13 Aug 2015, 08:50 AM
But as it is, the two main choices people have is Tory 1 party or Tory 2 party. There is nothing wrong with the old Labour policies. Their biggest problem forty years ago was that they were to close to the unions, which meant that every time the unions said jump, Labour asked how high. But as the Labour party originated from the unions I suppose that was inevitable to some degree.

But times have moved on, the unions have lost their power and, for me, an old style Labour party, with old style policies, without the interference of the unions, could be just the political boost this country needs. And as for Blair saying Corbyn will annihilate the Labour party is laughable, because he is as responsible as anyone for the state the party is in.
Great post Keith. The Unions point is an important one. No Trade Union should have the power to bring down a democratically elected Government. The Unions were far too powerful in the 70's but those days have long gone.
Not everybody believes everything we touch should be privatised and it would be good to have a Government who thinks that way for a change.
It would also be refreshing to have a Labour leader who actually believed in what he had to say.
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Does it matter who wins for Labour? After what happened in the general election and the two fingers the electorate gave Labour it will take beyond the next election for them to repair that damage.
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13 Aug 2015, 10:24 AM
Does it matter who wins for Labour? After what happened in the general election and the two fingers the electorate gave Labour it will take beyond the next election for them to repair that damage.
But they have to start somewhere. I think a lot of people turned away from Labour because they just seemed to have lost their way, they had moved so close to the centre they'd lost all the identity as a party for the working class.

I have no particular political allegiance, I have voted UKIP on the last few occasions because they seem to be the only party which has any concept of the damage mass immigration is doing to this country, and, of course, our continued membership of the EU will only exacerbate this problem. But I understand that for those that don't see it as a problem, then UKIP clearly aren't for them.

But although I have no affinity to any particular party, I'm equally aware of the serious problems we have if the Tories don't have any real opposition. I'm not saying I think Corbyn is the right or wrong candidate, but he certainly seems to have captured the imagination of those who want Labour to be Labour again.
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What is interesting is the bookies have him odds on then it's Burnham at around 3/1.

Sad to see in a still sexist world the two women candidates are given little or no chance.
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