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Cinemas ban the Lords Prayer
Topic Started: 22 Nov 2015, 06:52 PM (603 Views)
SuffolkRoyal
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I'm struggling to see what all the fuss is about over this issue. Seemingly the church of England wanted the prayer to be shown before the new Star Wars film. Consequently, DCM have banned it from being shown in the major cinema chains.

The big question to me is why would the church of England suddenly decide its a good idea to do it in the first place? I don't agree with the fear of offending people, this is a christian country after all. But as someone who isn't particularly religious, I would find it a bit irritating to have to sit through a religious prayer when all I want to do is enjoy the film.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34891928
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I'm with you Suffolk ...
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It used to be bad enough scrambling over the seats to get out of the cinema before the national anthem started :D :D
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I don't think that religious institution should be preaching in a secular environment. Or vice versa. Imagine Mass being sponsored by Coca Cola!

However, I don't see England as a Christian country. I see our land as one of pluralism. That doesn't mean I'm correct, of course, but I don't see how, just because there was a prevalent religious belief in our country for a large part of its existence, that it should always be considered as such. I believe that, given this day and age's need for religious (and otherwise) tolerance, that no country would be considered to belong to a particular religion or denomination. It marginalizes people who live within that society. I am English (for the most part, in my mind) and would feel that I don't belong to a Christian country. I'd rather belong to a country that welcomes all and doesn't base it's hospitality on whether I believe the same thing as the Queen or not.

(I added that last part for Daib0 as I know how much he loves our reigning monarch)
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Religion in the United Kingdom (2011 census)

Christianity (59.5%)
No religion (25.7%)
Not stated (7.2%)
Islam (4.4%)
Hinduism (1.3%)
Other religions (1.9%)

I would say that's pretty conclusive proof that Britain is still basically a Christian country, and as there has been a form of christianity here for something in excess of 1400 years, its hard to dispute. Of course, I accept that these facts may not meet with everyones approval if they hold a different general opinion of faith in the UK.
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Bahamoth

I think we have different definitions of what the conditions one might claim an entire country in the name of a religion are.

Simply claiming a majority does not mean one gets to ignore everyone else. Also, countries that are claimed by a specific religion tend to be somewhat narrow-minded when it comes to the rights of all other religious (or non-) within that country. I would have thought that, in light of recent ISIS-related news events, that you would prefer to steer clear of claiming a country in the name of a specific god for fear of the comparison.

Nevertheless, I know you are not saying that England is purely Christian and everyone in it must believe the same thing (unlike ISIS), merely referencing a majority influence. Even so, referring to an entity as having the characteristics of another entity is marginalizing. For example, my current class is mostly girls. It's 60% (for arguments' sake). I imagine I'd get a few complaints if I referred to it as a girls' class...

This all boils down to whether or not you care about offending people. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Just know that there are valid arguments to be had on both sides. I will never concede that England is a Christian country until the laws that we all have to live by were written in conjunction with the Bible. Until that happens (and I will renounce my citizenship the second it does), I would be happy to concede that it's a country with a Christian majority.

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What I'm saying, very simply, is that Christianity has been the dominant faith in Britain for over 1400 years. The figures indicate that Britain is still, predominately, a Christian country.

Of course many other faiths exist here, far more than are shown on that list. But at nearly 60% for Christianity, and the next highest, actual, faith of Islam at 4.4%, the figures really do speak for themselves.
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Bahamoth

I would have hoped you would have tried, even just a little, to see the point that I was driving at rather than just regurgitate the same tired point that since most people are one thing then the whole country should be tarred with that brush.
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of those 60% Christians who actually goes to church then to practise their faith? Maybe we're down to 5% then ...
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I'm one of those daib0, and one of many I would think. But clearly that's what 60% of the population put on their census return.

Whoops, I regurgitated again :D :D :D
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