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| SeasideStudent | 10 Feb 2016, 11:15 PM Post #1 |
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I am a student undergoing a sports course at university and for a research task I have been set to look at cheating in sport. I decided to look into the difference between 'deviance' and 'cheating' in all levels of football (Amateur - Professional). I would greatly appreciate your help if you could take time to do a 4 question survey in regards to cheating in football. The survey can be found using the following link: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/VQMYG9Y Thank you for your time and helping with my research. |
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| Tilehurstsouthbank | 12 Feb 2016, 04:52 PM Post #11 |
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Done.
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| cribsie | 12 Feb 2016, 06:05 PM Post #12 |
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Done. I answered yes to only the first one, simulation is one of my pet hates in football. Shielding the ball out of play has always been part of the game, they're not trying to con anyone. Wasting time by various methods is annoying, but if the officials do their job then that time should be added on. I personally think it's about time they brought in a 10 or 15 minute rugby style sin bin for so called professional fouls. Why should a team benefit if one of their players pulls back an opponent unfairly? It could be introduced next season and wouldn't cost a penny. |
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| Owlish52 | 13 Feb 2016, 08:27 AM Post #13 |
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So cribsie, you'd be for adding an 'orange' card, worth a ten/fifteen minute sit in a penalty box, for a certain range of fouls. Would that be the only penalty, or would an 'orange' card also have the impact of a yellow, with a second card of any colour meaning the permanent loss (for the match) of the offending player? I'm not sure about rugby (at all), but in ice hockey, the penalties are 2 minutes (or 5 for certain severe fouls, or four minutes [double minor] for a foul normally of the two-minute variety that draws blood), but they end (the minor/double minor classes) when/if the team with the man advantage scores (the 5-minute major penalty does not end). I'm sure folks would argue that the 'penalty time' associated with the 'orange' card would be severe enough to place it as sufficient and that an 'orange' foul should not 'stack' with a yellow to equate a red card. Again, using the game I am familiar with, ice hockey has a "match penalty", where a player is expelled from the match but can be replaced by a bench player so the team is not down a man for the remainder of the match, just unable to use that particular player. I do not believe football has that level of punishment - if a player is banned, he can not be replaced and the club plays on, one man down for the remainder of the match. Edited by Owlish52, 13 Feb 2016, 09:06 AM.
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| Zip | 13 Feb 2016, 09:11 AM Post #14 |
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I'm with Cribsie on the sin binning. It works really well in rugby and would properly penalise persistent fouling in football.
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| cribsie | 13 Feb 2016, 11:31 AM Post #15 |
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Another thing I'd like to see clamped down on is dissent. I thought waving imaginary cards at referees was supposed to result in a booking? I can't remember the last time that happened. And the way players surround the officials and argue is unbelievable. That just doesn't happen in rugby because they know it'll be dealt with. I don't know much about ice hockey Owlish, but the different starting numbers and game time mean it's difficult to compare with football. I went to a few ice hockey matches at Bracknell, and while I know comparing it to the NHL is the equivalent of comparing the SPL to La Liga, I know the fans expected to see a full scale brawl. |
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| Owlish52 | 13 Feb 2016, 01:56 PM Post #16 |
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I like your idea, cribsie, and I think it would radically change the game for the better. A late 'orange' card for a 10 to 15 minute penalty in the last 10 to 15 minutes of a match would be just like a red card, except it might not (I'd expect it would not anyway) have the accompanying 3 game suspension. And dissent seems to have taken hold in English football - this might be another place the 'orange' card could have a great impact. It could get re-named the 'Joey Barton'...
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| daib0 | 13 Feb 2016, 02:08 PM Post #17 |
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If someone got an 'orange' to be punished last 15 mins (fine by me), and then got another yellow for another offence a bit later, what would happen - a red just to the end of that particular match?!
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| Owlish52 | 13 Feb 2016, 02:35 PM Post #18 |
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If they got an 'orange' late on, they'd not be on the pitch to get a yellow. Now if they already had a yellow, I'd suggest they would have an effective red from the two cards, and be looking at a one-match suspension - the 'orange' being a yellow (with a 'time-out' from play due to the offense) to make 2 yellows. Edited by Owlish52, 13 Feb 2016, 02:36 PM.
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| Darlington | 13 Feb 2016, 08:36 PM Post #19 |
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I don't see how shielding the ball out of play is any different to a player keeping the ball on his side further from an opposing player when running with it. They are both shielding the ball and making it difficult for a player to get the ball. My biggest gripes that never seem to be sorted are:- 1) Why is a foul outside the box a foul and free kick given but when they occur in the box 90% if not more are never given. If it is a foul in the rules then it's a foul no matter where it is on the pitch but for some reason ref's balk at the prospect of giving penalties. 2) Inconsistent referring. One referee gives it and another doesn't. Why? do they use a different set of rules? but even worse is a ref in a game that is inconsistent in that he gives a foul for something but when the same thing happens with the other team he doesn't give it. As for the cheating for me it is seeking to gain an unfair advantage and that is why I only voted yes for the first question as that is the only one that is unfair. That is why I hate the taking one for a team foul it should be a bigger punishment it is seeking an unfair advantage and they know what they are doing it is premeditated everytime. I also hate it when they creep forward at throw ins and gain an extra 5 yards before throwing the ball in. They used to do it with free kicks but stopped it with the disappearing spray they use now. So why not use it at throw ins and mark where they throw it from. I also hate it when players try and claim the throw or corner for their team even though they know it came off them. Where is the honesty and fair play. These ones can be seen everytime on the TV and if they retrospectively banned a player for one game everytime they were found doing it they would stop. The final one they really bugs me is when a free kick is awarded and an opposing player deliberately stands in the way and doesn't back away to stop a free kick quickly and doesn't back off for a minute a two. The ref should act straight away and move them back and if they don't move the kick forward 10 yards or book em. They don't though do they. It is seeking an unfair advantage by trying to get more players from your team back to defend the kick. |
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| cribsie | 13 Feb 2016, 11:54 PM Post #20 |
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Some great points there! On the subject of free kicks, a team should be allowed to take them when they want. Why should the defenders be given time to organize themselves? |
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