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| SuffolkRoyal | 11 Feb 2016, 12:32 PM Post #1 |
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Okay, let me start by saying, I think doctors and nurses deserve all the financial rewards they can get. But I'm a bit confused with the message coming from the BMA. They say that their dispute is not about money, they say its about patient safety. So given that they will be working the same number of hours they currently work, under the governments new proposals, what difference will it make whether they get paid standard hourly rates, or premium payments, at weekends? And surely an 11% pay rise (wouldn't everyone like that?) will increase their hourly rate enough to make the difference negligible? A few mixed messages coming through I think. |
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| Gwent Royal | 11 Feb 2016, 01:53 PM Post #2 |
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Yes, quite hard to understand this one isn't it? I too think they deserve everything they get, but absolutely do not think doctors should strike. |
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| Foxxinator | 11 Feb 2016, 02:25 PM Post #3 |
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I don't think they are getting a pay rise though from having looked at the details of it. The government are looking to cut back on the amount of overtime pay, so at present you might get 1.5x your salary for working nights/weekends, they're giving a pay rise of 11% across the board. They're now saying that working nights/weekends will be worth less than before, so they're getting shafted from the government who are looking to enforce working weekends and evenings, but we're not going to pay you anymore. (When you look at the pay rise of 11% and scaling back on weekend/evening pay - doctors do not gain anything) So I can understand why they are going on strike, if they put through these changes then they will be forced to work longer hours for no net gain. So indeed patient safety is of concern |
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| SuffolkRoyal | 11 Feb 2016, 03:33 PM Post #4 |
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I worked for the government for over 30 years and they did a similar thing to us back in 1985. All premium and overtime payments were done away with and we were given a hefty pay hike to compensate. I worked in a specialist department, where o/t was limited, so it didn't make much difference to us, but other staff saw their take home pay cut drastically. But doctors are a different kettle of fish altogether. There haven't been enough of them for many years, hence the reason they have to work such long hours. But if the government goes ahead and forces their plans through, it could have devastating results for the NHS. |
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| SuffolkRoyal | 11 Feb 2016, 06:34 PM Post #5 |
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Looks like the 11% pay rise has been increased to 13.5%. |
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| Zip | 11 Feb 2016, 08:41 PM Post #6 |
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Hunt is a dreadful man. It takes one heck of a lot for doctors to strike. I spoke with a senior consultant who retired at Christmas aged 57. He has had enough and has no intention of doing twelve hour shifts at the weekend which is what he would have to do under this new arrangement. By expecting weekend working it means less doctors would be on roll during the week making an already stretched system unworkable. Either that or doctors would have to work even longer hours than they are already doing. Just imagine a knackered doctor having to make crucial decisions when they are dead on their feet. They should not be pushed into that position. Good luck to them. I back them all the way. Education is the next crisis with shortages in teachers being the next problem to hit. I trust the Tories with our health and education services as far as I can throw them. |
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| SuffolkRoyal | 11 Feb 2016, 10:15 PM Post #7 |
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My view about teachers has been well documented on here so I'm not dragging that up again, but wholeheartedly agree about the doctors. |
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| Gwent Royal | 12 Feb 2016, 08:06 AM Post #8 |
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Amen to that. As far as I am aware there are loads of teachers in certain subjects desperate to get in to the holiday system. |
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| Zip | 12 Feb 2016, 06:59 PM Post #9 |
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There are loads of teachers who work incredibly hard and are under huge pressure to get results. My other half is not political. She works at the school my kids attend. Cotswold state school. It's one of the best in the country. She is more than capable of training to become a teacher but wouldn't touch if with a bargepole because of the huge workload and pressure teachers face. |
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| Gwent Royal | 12 Feb 2016, 08:29 PM Post #10 |
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I do genuinely accept that there are good and excellent teachers about tbh. What irritates me is soooo many think they are sooo hard done by though. Posts on Facebook at the end of the 6 week term, saying they are frazzled out?! Come live in the real world guys and girls! |
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