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Rotherham's great upward lift with Warnock
Topic Started: 10 Apr 2016, 08:43 PM (213 Views)
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This topic is up on the LUFC forum, and I think it makes for interesting reading -




Since taking over at Rotherham United on 16th February 2016, the Millers have won six, drawn two and lost just the first two matches of his reign (away games at Burnley and Reading).

During his tenure, the team have scored 15 and conceded 9.

The previous 34 matches had seen them win just 8 times, drawing 5 and losing the other 21, with 38 goals scored and 59 conceded.

Burnley are top with 80pts from a possible maximimum of 123 points after 41 matches. Extrapolating the numbers, if Rotherham played the entire season with the same points ratio they've enjoyed since Warnock took over, they would currently be top with 82pts.

I know that's a lot of what ifs and buts and pure speculation, but he's one hell of a motivator, isn't he ?

Warnock is a man a lot of us love to hate, but you have to take your hat off to him :talktothehand:


... all of which begs the question : is Warnock that good or has that squad been under-performing all season ?
What do you say??



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I've put this on a few forums, I'll try to relay some of the better answers:



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Neil Warnock proves that there is no substitute for knowing the English Championship inside out. He does divide opinion but I would imagine his team talks would motivate a corpse. He has to be given credit where it's due, their results have been inspiring for their supporters, and shows what some managers can do that others cannot.
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Unfair to judge a manager until he's had a couple of transfer windows (apparently), so surely he can't take any credit?
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It really has been a MASSIVE turn around!

On 23rd February after the Reading match, Rotherham were in relegation places, just one point off bottom, and SIX points from safety.

Today there are a whopping NINE points above the last relegation place, and only five games to play.

That's impressive reading however you try to pretend it's not!

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10 Apr 2016, 09:12 PM
Unfair to judge a manager until he's had a couple of transfer windows (apparently), so surely he can't take any credit?
Or, alternatively, give a decent manager a poor team to work with and he'll make some progress. Although I accept you are probably being ironic Chris ;)
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10 Apr 2016, 09:18 PM
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10 Apr 2016, 09:12 PM
Unfair to judge a manager until he's had a couple of transfer windows (apparently), so surely he can't take any credit?
Or, alternatively, give a decent manager a poor team to work with and he'll make some progress. Although I accept you are probably being ironic Chris ;)
This is the thing I don't get Keith, had Reading been in Rotherham's position when Brian was appointed we'd be down - would people then say 'oh well, what else could he do with those players?' Of course managers should be given time - it doesn't make sense to keep changing them, but why shouldn't a manager be expected to improve results by way of motivation and tactics?
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10 Apr 2016, 09:35 PM
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10 Apr 2016, 09:18 PM
cribsie
10 Apr 2016, 09:12 PM
Unfair to judge a manager until he's had a couple of transfer windows (apparently), so surely he can't take any credit?
Or, alternatively, give a decent manager a poor team to work with and he'll make some progress. Although I accept you are probably being ironic Chris ;)
This is the thing I don't get Keith, had Reading been in Rotherham's position when Brian was appointed we'd be down - would people then say 'oh well, what else could he do with those players?' Of course managers should be given time, it doesn't make sense to keep changing them, but why shouldn't a manger be expected to improve results by way of motivation and tactics?
Well you won't get any arguments from me on that score Chris. But thats sort of what I've been trying to say. The problem is that everytime I say something like that about McDermotts shortcomings, I get called a McDermott hater, which I'm not. I'm sure he's a very nice guy, I just don't think he's a very good manager.

He's got a damned sight better squad than Warnock has to work with at Rotherham (or so all the 'experts' have been telling us all season) and yet, after four months in the job, his team dishes up a diabolical performance like they did yesterday. And that certainly wasn't the first since he returned.

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Turn-abouts like Rotherham's make me think about Samuel Johnson's quote: “Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.”

Warnock had the 'advantage' of having relegation at the very door for Rotherham - a failure to improve their results would have the club relegated and that would mean serious economic impacts for some (or many, most likely) of the players. Relocations at the least, and likely pressure to reduce wages (or contract wage reductions via relegation clauses). McDermott took on a club that was not in serious and imminent danger of being relegated (it was possible, but not likely), so he had a bit less of a stick to use. And bluntly, IMO, it's not that hard to get a club to play Warnock's 'style' of football - it ain't pretty but it can be effective.
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10 Apr 2016, 09:12 PM
Unfair to judge a manager until he's had a couple of transfer windows (apparently), so surely he can't take any credit?
That made my morning Chris! :D

He may be the man we all love to hate, but there's no denying he's the man to have in charge when you're in a slump.
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11 Apr 2016, 10:53 AM
cribsie
10 Apr 2016, 09:12 PM
Unfair to judge a manager until he's had a couple of transfer windows (apparently), so surely he can't take any credit?
That made my morning Chris! :D

He may be the man we all love to hate, but there's no denying he's the man to have in charge when you're in a slump.
His only signings, all on 'Frees' have been Paddy Kenny, Lloyd Doyley and Jerome Thomas all in their 30s...
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