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Is This The Most Daft Sacking Or........?
Topic Started: 29 Apr 2016, 01:14 PM (663 Views)
Darlington
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Is this the most daft sacking or a calculated move to get you there?

Clear? No!
Well let's put it like this you are second in the league and guaranteed to finish there and in the play-offs. So no matter what happens now you are guaranteed a shot a promotion.
Your thinking ahead on what to do who you might face in the play-offs and how best to move forward and get promotion up a division.

No your not because your board have just sacked you!!!

Sounds daft doesn't it well it's happened as Forest Green sack their manager exactly a week from the play-offs.
It is true by the way here read it.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36154525
Edited by Darlington, 29 Apr 2016, 01:15 PM.
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Over their last 10 matches, Forest Green has collected 9 points (LLDDDDDWLD) and moved from 2nd by 2 points on 77 points to now 86 points and 2nd by 12 points (6 points above joint 3rd). Their last 2 matches were loses to #14 Woking and #20 Halifax. Grimsby has collected 12 points in the same 10 matches, while Dover have collected 21 (most in-form club), with both now on 80 points and joint 3rd. With one match remaining, neither of the top 2 will change position and Dover and Grimsby are assured a playoff spot. The loss to Halifax had to be the decisive stroke in a course of events that looks, even from a distance, dire. Do you back that manager to win 2 matches for promotion against two of the top sides in the league?
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This has been the most successful season in FGR's history. They have stuttered over the past month which is totally understandable as Cheltenham have pulled clear and it was bound to have had an adverse effect on them.
Madness to sack the coach especially with the play offs imminent.
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It seems very odd, regardless of recent form, to sack a manager when your in the play-offs. If they fail to get promoted now, they'll look really stupid. On the other hand, it'll look like a stroke of genius if they do get promoted.
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29 Apr 2016, 02:28 PM
Over their last 10 matches, Forest Green has collected 9 points (LLDDDDDWLD) and moved from 2nd by 2 points on 77 points to now 86 points and 2nd by 12 points (6 points above joint 3rd). Their last 2 matches were loses to #14 Woking and #20 Halifax. Grimsby has collected 12 points in the same 10 matches, while Dover have collected 21 (most in-form club), with both now on 80 points and joint 3rd. With one match remaining, neither of the top 2 will change position and Dover and Grimsby are assured a playoff spot. The loss to Halifax had to be the decisive stroke in a course of events that looks, even from a distance, dire. Do you back that manager to win 2 matches for promotion against two of the top sides in the league?
When you put it like that Owlish it seems reasonable but consider the other side of coin.

You are one week away from a big game in your history that could move you towards Football League status.

Are you going to bring in a new coach with new ideas that he has to get across to the players and train to achieve the plans in less than a week?

Clearly we know Forest Greens answer to that but it is a big ask whether you go with a whole new idea and system or stick with what the players know.

Personally I can't believe the players need motivation for the games coming up in the play-offs so wouldn't it have been better to stick with the devil you know?
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29 Apr 2016, 02:28 PM
Over their last 10 matches, Forest Green has collected 9 points (LLDDDDDWLD) and moved from 2nd by 2 points on 77 points to now 86 points and 2nd by 12 points (6 points above joint 3rd). Their last 2 matches were loses to #14 Woking and #20 Halifax. Grimsby has collected 12 points in the same 10 matches, while Dover have collected 21 (most in-form club), with both now on 80 points and joint 3rd. With one match remaining, neither of the top 2 will change position and Dover and Grimsby are assured a playoff spot. The loss to Halifax had to be the decisive stroke in a course of events that looks, even from a distance, dire. Do you back that manager to win 2 matches for promotion against two of the top sides in the league?
On the face of it the Halifax result was really poor. However I saw Halifax give Cheltenham a very good game two weeks ago . They seem a better side than their posion suggests. Besides FGR have gone toe to toe with Cheltenham for virtually the entire season but once they dropped a few points it became clear they were going to miss out on automatic promotion and with that disappointment they had nothing to play for until the play offs. It's hardly surprising their results have then dropped off.
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On 12 March, Forest Green (81) were 2 points back from Cheltenham (83), both clubs coming off a win. On March 19, the gap closed to a point, with Cheltenham losing and Forest Green drawing (#6 Tranmere, 1-1). On 25 March, the gap grew to 3 as Cheltenham won while Forest Green drew (#16 Aldershot, 0-0, home). On 28 March, the gap dropped to 2 points, as Cheltenham lost while Forest Green drew again (#13 Bromley, 2-2, away). On 1 April is where Cheltenham began to pull away, winning their first of a current 4 in a row, while Forest Green draw against #8 Wrexham (0-0, home, gap to 4 with 4 matches remaining) and then #5 Braintree (1-1, away, gap to 6 with 3 matches remaining) before losing to #14 Woking (1-2, gap to 9 with 2 remaining and out of reach) and #20 Halifax (0-1), both at home. In the Halifax match, FGR had 4 total shots, none on target, to Halifax 9 and 4.

The draws against Wrexham and Braintree are understandable, those against Aldershot and Bromley seem less so and the home losses to Woking and Halifax seem unusual (FRG had defeated Halifax 0-2 in February, but had lost 2-1 to Woking in September).

FGR have hardly had an even season, running hot and cold at various times:

August 2015 - 100% - 21 points of 21 (7 matches, 7 wins)
Sept 2015 - 39% - 7 points of 18 (2 wins, 3 losses, 1 draw)
October 2015 - 55% - 10 points of 18 (3 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw)
Nov 2015 - 67% - 8 points of 12 (2 wins, 2 draws)
Dec 2015 - 67% - 6 points of 9 (2 wins, 1 loss)
Jan 2016 - 100% - 15 points of 15 (5 wins)
Feb 2016 - 73% - 11 points of 15 (3 wins, 2 draws)
March 2016 - 40% - 6 points of 15 (1 win, 1 loss, 3 draws)
April 2016 - 17% - 2 points of 12 to date (2 losses, 2 draws, 1 remaining)

But April has been a collapse.

Facing the current top sides, their record has been spotty as well, with 10 points won out of 21 available so far (2 wins but only 1 loss, 4 draws):

Against #1 Cheltenham - 2 draws (Sept, Nov)
Against #3a Grimsby - draw (Oct, away), loss (March, home)
Against #3b Dover - win (Nov, home), final match away
Against #5 Braintree - draw (April, away), win (Jan, Home)

And as for their temporary manager, it's their Academy manager, who isn't an unknown to the team and isn't likely to have a new system to be learned. It is certainly an odd time to make a change, but it is also (IMO, obviously, I have no first-hand information!) to me not totally daft. Some of the comments on the FGR site (http://forum.fgrfc.net/index.php ) seem to think that it was necessary, but again, those are fans with their own speculation and not much inside information.

It certainly was interesting to take a closer look at the situation! ;)
Edited by Owlish52, 29 Apr 2016, 07:03 PM.
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Good work Bill. I think the fans are being unrealistic.They have done well to be ahead of much more established and better supported clubs like Grimsby and Wrexham. Cheltenham have a very experienced and wily manager in Gary Johnson. I am not a fan of the chairman Paul Baker but he keeps Cheltenham on the straight and narrow. They have bounced back well.
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