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France to Egypt airline disappears; May 2016
Topic Started: 19 May 2016, 04:58 AM (259 Views)
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EgyptAir Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo 'disappears from radar'

An EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo has disappeared from radar, the Egyptian airline says.
It says there are 59 passengers and 10 crew members on board Flight MS804. The aircraft was flying at 37,000ft (11,300m) when it went missing over the eastern Mediterranean. An official said the plane lost contact with radar at 02:45 Cairo time (00:45 GMT). The company said it would issue an update "when more information becomes available".

EgyptAir said the plane disappeared about 10 miles (16km) into Egyptian air space. It said the concerned authorities had been notified, and search and rescue teams were now looking for the aircraft. The search operation is being co-ordinated with the Greek authorities. According to the flightradar24.com website, which tracks passenger flights around the globe, the plane is an Airbus A320.

The aircraft left Paris at 23:09 local time on Wednesday (21:09 GMT) and was scheduled to arrive in the Egyptian capital soon after 03:00 local time on Thursday. In March, an EgyptAir plane was hijacked and diverted to Cyprus. The attacker later surrendered and all hostages were released. Last October, a Russian passenger plane flying from Sharm el-Sheikh crashed over the Sinai peninsula killing all 224 people on board. Officials in Moscow later said the aircraft was brought down by an explosive device. Islamic State militants said they had bombed the plane.



Edited by daib0, 19 May 2016, 04:58 AM.
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Wreckage identified as from EgyptAir MS804 has been recovered from the Mediterranean. Efforts are underway to recover the 'black boxes' to help determine why the aircraft crashed. Maneuvers by the aircraft are consistent with either an in-flight accident, an on-board device or an attempt to divert the aircraft. Until the 'black boxes' (and especially the cockpit voice recorder) are recovered and studied, no real cause for the crash can be determined. Speculation about a terrorist act is just that - speculation. Aircraft have been known to have in-flight accidents (like the loss of a vertical stabilizer from a Japanese 747), so an aircraft failure can not be ruled out.

Edit: Now it seems that the wreckage has not been fully confirmed as being from EgyptAir MS804. All sorts of reports on the Internet, including quite a few hoax postings from previous crashes. My main source is BBC link at http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36333664 .
Edited by Owlish52, 19 May 2016, 08:36 PM.
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My personal thoughts are that they know exactly what happened with both this and MH370 - it most likely was a terrorist incident but they're down playing it to the public and playing dumb so that the terrorists don't get the headlines and incitement of fear that they crave.

It's terrible whatever has happened, but when they can track your £100 phone to within 5cms you would think they definitely can do similar to a multi million pound plane. I feel sorry for the loved ones who may not get the closer that they so desperately want
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Now it seems that there have been items recovered from the flight, but unless their identification is absolute (there has been a piece of luggage found), as there is so much 'stuff' in the Med from failed refugee crossings, it may be challenging to be absolutely certain. Aircraft seats are reportedly among the items found, and that would be a strong indication.

And I'd wager that the US and Russia both have satellite video that show the plane in flight, any major in-flight incidents (like a bomb explosion or structural failure) and the splash-down location. They will be reluctant to release these photos or much information, as that would indicate the degree of surveillance each nation has and its quality.
Edited by Owlish52, 20 May 2016, 02:53 PM.
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Now, Foxy, I know how you love a good ol' fashioned conspiracy, but wait until all the facts (if they factual they'll be) are recovered/discovered. The latest I've heard is that there was a fire on board but this could have been a bomb or something else. It's not for sure that it's terrorist related.
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New information from ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, an automatic reporting system on-board) reports indicates smoke alarms were triggered in a lavatory and in the Avionics Bay of the aircraft (one of the lavs is above the avionics bay on the A320). With smoke alarms going off (and potentially smoke in the cockpit as well), the pilots would pull breakers to try to stop an electrical fire, potentially disabling communications equipment. Also, the Rules of Piloting are to aviate (fly the plane), navigate (steer the plane) and only then communicate (not likely there will be help available over the eastern Med). Aviation boards indicate that the 90 degree left turn is a standard procedure in an in-flight emergency; the subsequent 360 degree turn may have simply been a maneuver while descending to a lower altitude.

It was also observed that Egyptair had had a severe cockpit fire on one of its' 777s while on the ground in Cairo, resulting in the loss of the aircraft (but only 7 minor injuries). That fire burned a hole in the side of the cockpit; had that happened in flight (and there is speculation that such a fire may have happened in MH870, the lost Malaysian Air aircraft), the aircraft would lose pressurization and the flight crew would be disabled in seconds. The prior Egyptair incident would make the flight crew very sensitive to a fire, causing a prompt and comprehensive reaction, possibly why the quick descent to 15,000 feet, where the air is breathable. Depending on the severity of the fire and the damage caused, the aircraft could have become uncontrollable (the A320 is fly-by-wire and reliant on the on-board computers).

The cause of a possible fire is unclear (the prior Egyptair fire was probably the result of a wiring installation error that melted an oxygen line, causing an intense fire in the cockpit), but could have been from a cigarette in the lav, an electrical failure in the avionics bay, or some sort of incendiary device. If such a fire were the proximate cause, only an investigation of the wreckage might indicate the cause, and even that might not offer a definitive conclusion.
Edited by Owlish52, 21 May 2016, 04:22 AM.
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