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| svugirl | Apr 29 2014, 04:48 PM Post #121 |
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The problem is that anyone who writes or reads McSwarek fics, or knows anything at all about McSwarek shippers, knows for certain that McSwarek readers do NOT want to read any sort of McIcky love scene. There's a difference in mentioning something that happened (which, in the case of this story, completely tarnishes Andy, considering what happened in the hospital) and detailing it word for word. I agree with what the Raquel said in the reviews about it being a slap in the face, as I mentioned that earlier myself also. McIcky readers don't go read Nick's character name and then expect a McSwarek love scene, so why should McSwarek readers expect or have to tolerate vice versa? There have been plenty of McSwarek stories with other people involved in them, but they don't write out love scenes and tarnish the characters in the way this one did. And again, I don't say negative things about fic publicly, but she crossed the line. If someone wants to write out a love scene of someone else besides McSwarek, then they shouldn't label it as a McSwarek story. |
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| Overthinker | Apr 29 2014, 05:29 PM Post #122 |
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I knew! You are always a big supporter of every writer.In this period I don't have a lot of time to read, so when I read I prefer to read something that I like. For example I hate science fiction but my best friend love it, so I tried it once, disliked it with my whole heart and from then no more science fic for me. In this case (RBFF) I dislike (with passion) love triangles and Nick is not a character I'm interested in, so I think it's understandable why I skip the fictions with the 2 things together. So in this case my mind is not really open, is more locked and threw away the key. Pretty sure there are books about science fiction and about love triangle out there even if I don't read them, anyway I skip them with no intention to hurt their writers. |
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| mahtra | Apr 29 2014, 05:31 PM Post #123 |
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As I haven't read the story I am going to believe you about this particular fic. And of course you are free to think and like whatever you want. But I really detest how this fandom is devided into McSwarek and McCollins. Why is it alright to read about Andy and/or Sam with some newly invented Mary Sue/Garry Stu, but a big no-no to write a temporary pairing like McCollins that has actually happened? If you complain about being out of character shouldn't an outside character make you more furious than a canon character? For me there is a flaw in the logic. And while I usually enjoy McSwarek the most, I don't care with whom everybody ends up. Let Steve and Gail move to Westeros (Adam tweeted something about Pecks being Lanisters), let Sam and Boyd get married, I don't mind as long as it is written convincingly. Ok, my rant is over. I apologize if this has upset anyone. Edited by mahtra, Apr 29 2014, 05:36 PM.
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| mahtra | Apr 29 2014, 05:40 PM Post #124 |
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@ Overthinker: I apologize for the love-pentagrams then. I hope your feedback wasn't just empty flattery ![]() And I do see your point. I really do. I just feel like giving people the benefit of a doubt. Or at least constructive criticism, telling them why you didn't like a particular storyline and how to improve their understanding of the characters. |
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| Ayala | Apr 29 2014, 05:41 PM Post #125 |
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| mahtra | Apr 29 2014, 05:47 PM Post #126 |
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@ayala: Your wish is my command https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9657151/1/Donny-and-Inspector-Peck@ SVU: But why do authors have to cater to the wishes of their reader? For me the writers are publishing a story they thought out, had in their mind and wanted to get out and are happy if they find someone among the fans who actually likes what you have written. It makes for a very boring and predictable selection, if everybody would just write fluff with perfect characters. A good story has tortured characters and some controversy potential. |
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| BYLY | Apr 29 2014, 05:55 PM Post #127 |
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I think maybe she at least should have put OC on it then. Andy sleeping with Nick WHILE Sam is in the hospital AND just said she loved him confuses me. If that's what she wants in her story than that's fine. But I think it's labeled wrong IMO. |
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| svugirl | Apr 29 2014, 06:01 PM Post #128 |
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It's not about catering to their wishes; it's about being honest with the intention of your story. Whether it was a one time thing in the story or not, there was no warning. Filters are given as an option for a reason. They have a purpose. Do you think Castle writers would want to read a love scene between Castle and his ex-wives or Beckett and Josh? No. If you label a story as a certain couple, then you don't write out love scenes about another couple or relationship or fling. As I said before, there's a difference in mentioning people being with other people and writing out love scenes. I can only think of maybe one story where a Landy love scene was written out, and even then, I think it only served the purpose of showing how not-into it Andy was. And I have never read a Sam and Marlo love scene, either. And as for any other people with Sam or Andy, it was mentions, not written out detail by detail. As I said, filters exist for a reason, and stories like that defeat the entire purpose of them. At the very least, a warning could have been given. Even the story avatar is of McSwarek. Edited by svugirl, Apr 29 2014, 06:01 PM.
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| svugirl | Apr 29 2014, 06:04 PM Post #129 |
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You wrote a Sam and Boyd fic....so just imagine how infuriated McSwarek readers would be if you have labeled it a McSwarek story. Especially if you had given them no warning at all. It's no different than from what happened here. When you invest your time and interest in a story, and then it involves a written out love scene of the enemy couple or relationship or whatever it is, then yes, it's a slap in the face. Edited by svugirl, Apr 29 2014, 06:06 PM.
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| mahtra | Apr 29 2014, 06:23 PM Post #130 |
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I do see your point. I just prefer to continue guessing and let my readers continue to guess throughout a story. In real life you never know how it's going to turn out either. So if people know from the very start who it's going to be Andy ends up with, then they know more than the characters already and it becomes more difficult for them to relate to her struggles. (I used Andy as an example, but you could use Sam, Gail, Castle, really everybody here.) Instead you will get a lot of wise guys comments and people stop appreciating how a character comes to a realization. (Do you understand what I mean, I can't express myself right now.) For me that takes the fun out of the writing, but I that is just my personal sentiment. |
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| svugirl | Apr 29 2014, 06:29 PM Post #131 |
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But there's a difference in guessing where the story is headed and writing out a love scene of an enemy couple/fling. It's giving the readers a lump of coal and being disloyal to them. If the author wants people to guess who she's gonna end up with, then the story needs mention it in the summary and be labeled AU and OC, not McSwarek only. And not have a McSwarek avatar with it. And just for the record, shippers don't read fanfic to guess who the characters are gonna end up with. They read it to enjoy stories of their favorite couple, both canon and non-canon extensions. And I don't think it takes away from relating to struggles at all...everything relies on how the author tells the story. |
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| Overthinker | Apr 29 2014, 06:52 PM Post #132 |
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Ok, when you are right you are right, I just can't stand triangles with Nick. It's true, I skip all the fictions where he is listed. I have a prejudice. Andy didn't date Nick in your fiction, but a random ETF, so like I told you it was a pain to read about the love-pentagrams but I could bear it (angst is still my favorite kind of fic). I liked the story so I kept reading and waiting for the good candy. And to be honest, I usually don't like love triangles but there are fiction with amazing love triangles, but with Luke (or random guys), reluctant acquaintances is one of my favorite. Ever. So I can say I don't mind love triangle until they are with people that are not Nick, when Nick is involved I hate them. This is a consequence of S4 for me. Really mature, I know Unfortunately lately all the triangles involve Nick, so I have a hard time.Well, I see your point, I can be critic with you (or Copycat, or Snapple) because we have talked and I feel free to tell you if there is something I don't like or I don't understand, but I don't feel comfortable to do it with someone that I have never talked with because I'm not sure I can be direct with them without hurting them, last thing I want is to hurt someone I don't know. We are still talking about something that people do for fun. Above all when I'm the one with a prejudice about the story, so with a high possibility that I'm the one not objective. Anyway I never give feedback, because I don't know why people should be interested in my point of view, I give it only when I love totally the story and I can't contain my enthusiasm or I feel the need to say thank you, so don't worry no empty flattery. And since we are talking about it, any chance to have an update soon? Edited by Overthinker, Apr 29 2014, 07:01 PM.
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| snapple79 | Apr 29 2014, 06:53 PM Post #133 |
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Reading fanfic is supposed to be fun. Reading about a character or pairing you hate is not fun. There are summaries and a listing of characters for a reason. So you can make a choice on what you read. If it doesn't clearly state it's a McSwarek story I personally won't read. And a story listed as McSwarek shouldn't have an Andy and Nick sex scene. Or if for some reason there has to one, there should be a clear warning. It's not difficult and it's not asking too much of the writer. |
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| hookedonrb | Apr 29 2014, 06:53 PM Post #134 |
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Anyone is perfectly free to write a fanfic. You do not have to "cater to the wishes of their readers". A novel. A television series. The point for me is that if you write a novel and I buy it, I first am able to read the jacket that tells a summary of the story. Fanfic has that same time of summary setup. If I don't like that type of story presented in the summary, I don't have to buy it/read it. But if I purchase a book based on the jacket/summary and then read the story to find it is not that way at all, I would want a refund as it is in a sense false advertsing. The same goes with fanfic. You have every right to write a story about Andy & Nick. But IMO I also have a right to expect that what I open up is what is presented in the summary. To present in a summary that it is a McSwarek fan fic then proceed to write a story about Andy & Nick is false advertising. You write "A good story has tortured characters and some controversy potential." This is true. But that can and has been done just with McSwarek wthout the Nick and Andy mess. Ayala wanted to read a fic about Donny & Inspector Peck. Great. You wrote just what she wanted. But I am not interested in that type of fanfic and by the name, I know not to read it. |
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| BYLY | Apr 29 2014, 07:04 PM Post #135 |
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Just to be clear, she (the author) did tell me that the story is still McSwarek... BUT, that's where I'm lost because that makes it even more out of character for Andy IMO. There is nothing wrong with writing the story the way you want to write it. But like I've said, Hers is labeled wrong IMO. |
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| LAwoman | Apr 29 2014, 07:40 PM Post #136 |
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I sort of agree with this to a certain extent, and I personally wasn't quite as upset as some others to have stumbled into reading it. (though I did find the behavior totally offputting and said so in my review of that chapter.) But I do think in this case the author should have put a warning in the author's note at the beginning of that chapter. Even if this is a blip in the overall story such that in her judgment Nick didn't warrant a character listing, that blip involved some surprising and pretty graphic sex. I think any author should expect that to be controversial enough that at least some of her readers would want to skip it. |
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| LAwoman | Apr 29 2014, 07:55 PM Post #137 |
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I don't think it's right to assume all shippers feel this way. It's probably true for most, but there may be a fair number of fans who do ship a particular couple, but look at things more the way Mahtra does. That's why, depending on what happens in the rest of the story, in my mind the main transgression in this particular case was not including a warning in the author's note. I guess that would have ruined the suspense of the beginning of that particular chapter, but I think that's the point where consideration of those shippers who are in the irate camp should have outweighed that downside. |
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| svugirl | Apr 29 2014, 08:13 PM Post #138 |
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It was a generalization, in which "true for most" applies. But considering that it is true for more than it isn't true for, then authors should respect the majority and label fics appropriately. |
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| svugirl | Apr 29 2014, 08:15 PM Post #139 |
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lol at "false advertising". It's true, though, don't write McIcky love scenes when you advertise McSwarek. |
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| hookedonrb | Apr 29 2014, 09:02 PM Post #140 |
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The thing is, I intentionally exclude Gail & Nick just b/c I am not interested in Andy/Nick or Gail/Holly stories. Is that not my right to do? So to not have any label when there is obviously a pretty serious portion of Nick/Andy is (lol) false advertising!!!! |
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I knew! You are always a big supporter of every writer.

that hilarious

Unfortunately lately all the triangles involve Nick, so I have a hard time.




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