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Rookie Blue Fan Fiction, Part 7; reactions, recommendations, etc.
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hookedonrb
Apr 29 2014, 09:02 PM
The thing is, I intentionally exclude Gail & Nick just b/c I am not interested in Andy/Nick or Gail/Holly stories. Is that not my right to do? So to not have any label when there is obviously a pretty serious portion of Nick/Andy is (lol) false advertising!!!!
Well, we don't know that for sure yet. That could be the only chapter that includes Nick. Depending how long the story is supposed to be, I reserve judgment whether it rises to the level where it's a slam dunk, clear case where the screens should be triggered. I'm not saying character screens aren't valuable or important or anything. I'll probably end up agreeing she should have done it. I'm only reserving judgment on that as of now, and I know a lot of people won't agree that it's a gray area even if that's the only chapter with any Nick. I guess if it is, I'm torn/on the fence whether it's still a betrayal of reader trust.

(BTW, everything I've said on the topic is just my personal opinions, obviously, since ff.net has nothing to do with me being a mod here)

ETA: I guess the other reason I'm tying to cut her some slack and not get too upset about it is that this is her first story, at least on ff.net, so she may just not have been aware of norms there and especially for this fandom.
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She updated her story and in the next chapter she said she didn't want to label it as Nick/Andy because it was only in one chapter. I still think Nick should be listed as one of the characters though. And in my opinion OOC. But that's just me.
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By the way, isn't it OC for Original Character and OOC for Out of Character? Or am I wrong about that?
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Actually yeah I think you're right. OC is original character.
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Apr 29 2014, 09:36 PM
She updated her story and in the next chapter she said she didn't want to label it as Nick/Andy because it was only in one chapter. I still think Nick should be listed as one of the characters though. And in my opinion OOC. But that's just me.
At the very least, there should have been a warning.

And it's one thing to include Nick to an extent in a McSwarek fic, but not a graphic sex scene without any warning or mention of it.
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That and the update was her concern about angering McIcky fans.....well, if you label a story as McSwarek, then McSwarek fans should be your concern, not McIcky. And considering it was written that Andy didn't even regret it and the way it was described, I think it's pretty clear where the author's loyalties lie. So, it's like hookedonrb hilariously said...false advertising.

I only scanned a few sentences of the update, just to see how she'd try to wiggle her way out of it, but apparently she didn't, so I'm done with that one. There is no way it should now be considered a McSwarek story, especially by her new A/N of what's to come. Actually the letters A/N apply to that too.
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Apr 29 2014, 09:36 PM
She updated her story and in the next chapter she said she didn't want to label it as Nick/Andy because it was only in one chapter. I still think Nick should be listed as one of the characters though. And in my opinion OOC. But that's just me.
Actually OOC applies to, but...yeah. LOL
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Putting aside that I thought both Nick and Andy were out of character given the events before this.

Honestly my main problem with it is that I thought the chapter crossed into MA rating. If it were less graphic, I'd be saying this is what happens when a show gets too shippy. Stifling of creativity and spoilers are required because there is a very narrow slice of fiction people are willing to read. And that's the reader's prerogative but frustrating for a writer. Although a writer can not tag and then a reader can not read because of no tag and around we go.. Heck, I hate that I need to tag a genre to my fics because "spoilers". So I can kind of understand the lack of warnings.

I cave in and give warnings and allay fears (despite spoilers) because people who ship very heavily obsess over things that aren't going to happen and don't even matter to me. So I tell them not to freak and eventually they trust I won't pull out the rug other than being slightly nuts from time to time.

Am I the only one that wishes that OC meant original cast?
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LOL! The label "OC" was adding by fanfiction because of complaints - actually hinged on what you're hinting to.

Many people were adding so many of their own characters that readers were frustrated. Not to the "adding a family for the future" but adding a character that becomes a major player. The example that comes to the top of my head for Rookie Blue would be if a writer ads a female detective (who is a central member in the story) and this detective becomes a love interest for Chris. "OC" is really just a warning that a made up character is central to the story.

As for writers - yeah, it doesn't surprise me that people tag Sam and Andy. At this point, I don't have as much time to read as I used to. If I know and "trust" the author, I'll read it, if not, I normally just skim and decide if I even want to read the story.

I am going to request (moderator cap for a second) that we not point fingers and name any specific authors. A lot of writers on fanfiction are new writers and one of the things I used to love about this fandom was the encouragement. Pointing fingers at authors counters that and I would hate to spoil someone's joy in writing (and honestly, I'm not trying to accuse anyone, I've been skimming this thread and have not been paying attention to who is writing what, I just remember how nervous I was the first time I posted a story).
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I need OC to equal original cast because I go too ensemble sometimes for a Sam/Andy tag alone and get "they aren't interacting enough" but i don't have enough character slots.

I'm not creative in a way that I can create original characters. Although haven't really found an OC fic I've liked a lot either.
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That's funny, Cythy. It never occurred to me that anyone would interpret OC as negative, or a warning. I look at it as a bonus. To me, it means an author went the extra mile to be creative and come up with something original. Given that we've now got nearly 3,000 stories, that's something I welcome.
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Apr 30 2014, 12:46 AM
That's funny, Cythy. It never occurred to me that anyone would interpret OC as negative, or a warning. I look at it as a bonus. To me, it means an author went the extra mile to be creative and come up with something original. Given that we've now got nearly 3,000 stories, that's something I welcome.
I do think it is creative and some of my favorite stories are heavy on the OC. From what I remember when they rolled out OC (b/c that fanfiction blog can get a little ridiculous at times), a lot of fans in general were complaining. I definitely agree with you that I look at OC the way you do. Sometimes I get nervous that OC is because the author is splitting up McSwarek but from my skimming, I've picked up a couple (and not just in this fandom) that I really like.
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Apr 30 2014, 12:46 AM
That's funny, Cythy. It never occurred to me that anyone would interpret OC as negative, or a warning. I look at it as a bonus. To me, it means an author went the extra mile to be creative and come up with something original. Given that we've now got nearly 3,000 stories, that's something I welcome.
I do think it is creative and some of my favorite stories are heavy on the OC. From what I remember when they rolled out OC (b/c that fanfiction blog can get a little ridiculous at times), a lot of fans in general were complaining. I definitely agree with you that I look at OC the way you do. Sometimes I get nervous that OC is because the author is splitting up McSwarek but from my skimming, I've picked up a couple (and not just in this fandom) that I really like.
Yeah, I'm gonna name a name because it's praise, but think about Margie's The Witness which had several interesting OCs. That's one of many people's favorites.
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I think it is the writer's prerogative to tell the story she wants to tell.

I'm pretty sure I made a "gross" face all the way through that horrible chapter (horrible for me anyway), but I don't think she mislabelled anything and I don't think she is required to warn anyone about anything. If I had to guess, that graphic sex was both closure of a couple that she obviously likes (some people's tastes are questionable, lol), as well as shock value for the readers. It sure worked, because before it Nick was very minimal and so the blindside worked perfectly. Hated every second, but now I get to decide if I want to continue. That is my prerogative. Read or don't read.

It's clearly not a McCollins story, so the author doesn't need to list that potential, and Nick is an RB character that she is using to propel her plot (disturbing as it might be)

There is always a certain amount of risk in reading fanfiction because you don't know what you'll get, but labelling everything and warning, etc, takes away a lot of the writer's freedoms. That feels more wrong to me than any gagworthy sex I may stumble into and hate.

If Nick continues to be a love interest/factor in the story, then yes, she needs to list him.

Off my soapbox now. Don't throw too many tomatoes at me. :)
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Apr 30 2014, 08:45 AM
I think it is the writer's prerogative to tell the story she wants to tell.

I'm pretty sure I made a "gross" face all the way through that horrible chapter (horrible for me anyway), but I don't think she mislabelled anything and I don't think she is required to warn anyone about anything. If I had to guess, that graphic sex was both closure of a couple that she obviously likes (some people's tastes are questionable, lol), as well as shock value for the readers. It sure worked, because before it Nick was very minimal and so the blindside worked perfectly. Hated every second, but now I get to decide if I want to continue. That is my prerogative. Read or don't read.

It's clearly not a McCollins story, so the author doesn't need to list that potential, and Nick is an RB character that she is using to propel her plot (disturbing as it might be)

There is always a certain amount of risk in reading fanfiction because you don't know what you'll get, but labelling everything and warning, etc, takes away a lot of the writer's freedoms. That feels more wrong to me than any gagworthy sex I may stumble into and hate.

If Nick continues to be a love interest/factor in the story, then yes, she needs to list him.

Off my soapbox now. Don't throw too many tomatoes at me. :)
You don't think it's just a little out of character what Andy did? Considering the circumstances? I don't know, that part is really not the main problem anyway.

I understand the "surprise" factor and wanting to keep the reader guessing but when the scene gets THAT graphic and is NOT what a McSwarek fan wants to read, I think Nick has to be listed as a character. You don't have to warn about the scene itself but just list Nick as a character because obviously he plays a big part. That would still keep the "surprise" to the reader on what's going to happen.

I guess I just respectfully disagree. But yes, we can just stop reading it if we choose.

I don't know how this turned into a big deal anyway. It's just someone's story. Lol
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One thing that could have been done in this particular case is list Sam & Andy as a couple and Nick as an additional character. I guess that would get the right set of readers among those who choose stories only based on which couple they ship. I dunno. Icewitch makes some good points. I get that people are busy and they like what the like and that's what they want to spend time on. But I do have sympathy for crimping creativity too.
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Apr 30 2014, 12:24 PM

You don't think it's just a little out of character what Andy did? Considering the circumstances? I don't know, that part is really not the main problem anyway.

I understand the "surprise" factor and wanting to keep the reader guessing but when the scene gets THAT graphic and is NOT what a McSwarek fan wants to read, I think Nick has to be listed as a character. You don't have to warn about the scene itself but just list Nick as a character because obviously he plays a big part. That would still keep the "surprise" to the reader on what's going to happen.

I guess I just respectfully disagree. But yes, we can just stop reading it if we choose.

I don't know how this turned into a big deal anyway. It's just someone's story. Lol
Hey, I'm happy to respectfully disagree anytime. LOL

I 100% think that Andy was acting OOC, but so what really? Maybe myself and the author have different ideas about who Andy is, or maybe that explicit scene will make more sense later on in the story? I just think that if a person (a general person not a specific YOU or anyone else, lol) is going to start screaming "McCollins", then they should give the writer a little latitude since the story isn't finished yet. Way too early to cry foul over one horrible scene, IMO.

From my POV, the worst part about that chapter wasn't the sex that bit me in the ass hard, but the way she seems to perceive the couples. Apparently Nick has a halo and Sam is an addiction. That is not a story I have an interest in reading EVER, but since the following chapter indicates that the sex was supposed to be some sort of OTT closure, I can either continue cautiously or no longer care.


I guess my main point is simply this: Sometimes in stories characters do strange things, or dark things, or in this case strange/dark/and exceptionally shocking things. I don't think it is the author's responsibility to flag every possible scenario that could anger a fanbase, I think it's their obligation to be honest about the type of story they're telling and then tell it. If she intends it to be a McSwarek story and it is, I can't fault her for throwing in stuff that I may not like. I can only weigh the value of entertainment it has for me. Otherwise the line between responsible fanfiction and "managing" fanfiction becomes blurred.

Wow...........there's that soapbox again. Damn. :)

As for listing Nick as a character, that is certainly an option and likely one that would have spared her a lot of grief. LOL I wouldn't have minded his name being listed. That being said, it comes down to how important Nick actually is to the storyline. Is that graphic sex going to play a role in the Sam/Andy story, because if yes then I would say definitely toss his name up there. But if no, just because it was graphic and with someone that I REALLY REALLY didn't like to read about, doesn't necessarily warrant his name being mentioned.

But that should be her call to make, not anyone else's. She's the only one who knows where she's taking the story.




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One thing I find interesting is that a written sex scene can seem more graphic when it's between people who turn you off than those who really turn you on. I'm pretty sure I've actually read a few more graphic McSwarek sex scenes, and on ff.net, not just LiveJournal stories. But it didn't strike me that way when I was first unexpectedly reading it. So, even though it was unpleasant, it was sort of an intellectually interesting thing for me to mull over.

By the way, I had a similar reaction to the way the two relationships were depicted as the bigger issue. But the fact that Andy was so INTO the sex also was so different from how I had always chosen to picture what went on in with Nandy that my chill worldview on that DID take a temporary hit. ;)

ETA: If I was a little more open-minded about this issue, I might even have enjoyed being challenged to consider the latter differently, but I'm just not. It still just turned me off, but I think that may not have bothered me as much as it did others.
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Apparently Nick has a halo and Sam is an addiction.


Its not a popular opinion around here but I think that is a completely viable and sensible POV if someone only watched season 4.

I don't share it because 1) saw season 1- 3 and 2) started discounting the insensitive jerk Sam was in season 4 because Sam was OOC and the story one sided (not Sam's side ever) and badly told. AU fiction is how I remember season 4.

But on the flip side Nick carries a pitch fork and Sam has an unwavering, indestructible love for Andy is kind of the other side of the coin. The truth (well my truth) is kind of in between. But you won't find a lot of this in fanfic (I looked, yes I wanted to read some triangle with no MA content) because it gets the writer crucified.
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Apr 30 2014, 08:03 PM
One thing I find interesting is that a written sex scene can seem more graphic when it's between people who turn you off than those who really turn you on. I'm pretty sure I've actually read a few more graphic McSwarek sex scenes, and on ff.net, not just LiveJournal stories. But it didn't strike me that way when I was first unexpectedly reading it. So, even though it was unpleasant, it was sort of an intellectually interesting thing for me to mull over.

By the way, I had a similar reaction to the way the two relationships were depicted as the bigger issue. But the fact that Andy was so INTO the sex also was so different from how I had always chosen to picture what went on in with Nandy that my chill worldview on that DID take a temporary hit. ;)

ETA: If I was a little more open-minded about this issue, I might even have enjoyed being challenged to consider the latter differently, but I'm just not. It still just turned me off, but I think that may not have bothered me as much as it did others.
I understand you so much I can't describe it better then you I love fanfiction and I read storys with nick in them but the end is always McSwarek. But she described the sex scene so specific that it was turn off and I need my smuty McSwarek back I hope she will get there and soon so the story won't be ruin for me.
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