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A 'Celery Stalk'

svugirl
Mar 9 2012, 08:06 PM
Yeah, rookie has always been used by Luke and Boyd as a negative term for her. When Jo called her a doe eyed rookie to Luke, he didn't even act like it bothered him, and he said nothing. But yeah, it's like the term rookie has always been used as a negative against her coming from Luke or Boyd, etc.
When Sam told Andy that Luke went through rookies "rookie of the year" - so Sam is implying the negative connotation that Luke/Boyd refer to. Sam was trying to make Andy realize Luke goes through rookies like they're dirty laundry.
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Mar 9 2012, 11:34 PM
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Mar 9 2012, 08:06 PM
Yeah, rookie has always been used by Luke and Boyd as a negative term for her. When Jo called her a doe eyed rookie to Luke, he didn't even act like it bothered him, and he said nothing. But yeah, it's like the term rookie has always been used as a negative against her coming from Luke or Boyd, etc.
When Sam told Andy that Luke went through rookies "rookie of the year" - so Sam is implying the negative connotation that Luke/Boyd refer to. Sam was trying to make Andy realize Luke goes through rookies like they're dirty laundry.
You're right but it was a negative meaning because of it referring to Luke's actions. It's just interesting to me how she's been negatively called rookie several times, but yet that term has a different meaning for her coming from Sam (well after he calmed down after 1x01). I just think it says a lot that Sam doesn't use it in that way to her when several others do. It shows his belief in her abilities.
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I see it differently, but then again I don't see Luke as the evil incarnate, which I know is weird for McSwarek fan. I just think that it was totally pointless for Luke to defend his fiancee or his actions in front of his ex fiancee. I for once wouldn't find it necessary - I could care less what thinks a man that decided to leave me because of his career. Ignorance is what I will use best to deal with him.

As for Sam's comment - that's something that I'm interested. Did Sam tell this because he was jealous of Luke or there is history about that, because so far from what I've seen Luke has been only with Jo and Andy, but Jo didn't seem rookie to me at all. She might not be perfect person and she might have ruined Andy/Luke relationship, but from what I've seen she seemed good detective, so I'm finding hard to believe that she was rookie. Besides didn't they tell that they had 2/3 years relationship? Luke seems like 30 years old or something like that. Given that he had 3 years relationship with Jo and I think almost 2 years from the show with Andy, I find it hard to see how Luke picks rookie every year.

Not to mention that I still think that this rookie thing is related to his failed engagement with Jo, but I haven't seen enough to comment on this.

As for Boyd's opinion for Andy - he just doesn't like her. And while I think that Sam was right to tell him that Andy was the one that helped the rescue mission for him, I don't think that Andy is better cop than Boyd, just because 2 years are not enough. She's done enough mistakes, like everybody else. I've always seen Sam saying this, because Andy is just a better person than Boyd and that might help her being better cop in the future with one small note - she has to know that she can't save the whole world, especially when someone don't want to be saved.
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I've thought about Sam's comment a lot because if it wasn't true Sam would be a bit petty. I have come to this conclusion:
Luke picks a female rookie every year not necessarily to date but who will idealize him and maybe flirt with him; help out on simple cases, make him feel smart and experienced etc. Which is relatively harmless when you are recovering from a broken heart a la Jo/Luke.
But maybe Sam was worried that Andy wouldn't become a truly tough cop around Luke. He does generally seem to stick with the safe, rule following options while at work. He wanted her to become more independent and strong without the safety net of a bf who is a detective. Especially since Luke is rather cocky in work situations and his advice to Andy is usually passive and non-confrontational.
Not sure if I am explaining it well here. :ermm:
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Mar 10 2012, 01:21 AM
I see it differently, but then again I don't see Luke as the evil incarnate, which I know is weird for McSwarek fan. I just think that it was totally pointless for Luke to defend his fiancee or his actions in front of his ex fiancee. I for once wouldn't find it necessary - I could care less what thinks a man that decided to leave me because of his career. Ignorance is what I will use best to deal with him.

As for Sam's comment - that's something that I'm interested. Did Sam tell this because he was jealous of Luke or there is history about that, because so far from what I've seen Luke has been only with Jo and Andy, but Jo didn't seem rookie to me at all. She might not be perfect person and she might have ruined Andy/Luke relationship, but from what I've seen she seemed good detective, so I'm finding hard to believe that she was rookie. Besides didn't they tell that they had 2/3 years relationship? Luke seems like 30 years old or something like that. Given that he had 3 years relationship with Jo and I think almost 2 years from the show with Andy, I find it hard to see how Luke picks rookie every year.

Not to mention that I still think that this rookie thing is related to his failed engagement with Jo, but I haven't seen enough to comment on this.

As for Boyd's opinion for Andy - he just doesn't like her. And while I think that Sam was right to tell him that Andy was the one that helped the rescue mission for him, I don't think that Andy is better cop than Boyd, just because 2 years are not enough. She's done enough mistakes, like everybody else. I've always seen Sam saying this, because Andy is just a better person than Boyd and that might help her being better cop in the future with one small note - she has to know that she can't save the whole world, especially when someone don't want to be saved.
Oh not me. My future boyfriend better be ready to defend me to anyone....just like Sam does for Andy...shows how much he cares. Just like how Andy would easily defend Sam to anyone.

About Boyd....to me, Andy will always be better than him. Even though I think that for a number of reasons, the fact that he covered up a murder ruins any good work he's done. Andy would never cover up a murder. I have to agree with Sam on the ten times the cop comment.

But those are just my opinions.

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Mar 10 2012, 01:53 AM
I've thought about Sam's comment a lot because if it wasn't true Sam would be a bit petty. I have come to this conclusion:
Luke picks a female rookie every year not necessarily to date but who will idealize him and maybe flirt with him; help out on simple cases, make him feel smart and experienced etc. Which is relatively harmless when you are recovering from a broken heart a la Jo/Luke.
But maybe Sam was worried that Andy wouldn't become a truly tough cop around Luke. He does generally seem to stick with the safe, rule following options while at work. He wanted her to become more independent and strong without the safety net of a bf who is a detective. Especially since Luke is rather cocky in work situations and his advice to Andy is usually passive and non-confrontational.
Not sure if I am explaining it well here. :ermm:
I really like this perspective. I haven't really thought of it like this before, but now I will. Whether Sam meant he dated them or just used them for his ego, he was still looking out for her, knowing she could get hurt either way. And I agree, Sam knows Luke would try to tame Andy in a sense, keep her in that bubble. He knew her potential from the beginning when he met her....her guts, courage, drive, etc. And he knew that Luke would put a damper on that, which would cause her to lose some of herself. Which did happen...you could tell a major difference in her personal and professional confidence once she was free of Luke or anytime she was with Sam. I just love how she lets herself go when she's with Sam.

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@svugirl I didn't mean that I didn't care if my future boyfriend defends me or not. I meant that I don't find it necessary for me to defend my actions or choices in front of someone that has hurt me. Probably because if someone hurt me that way, they kind of dead for me. I just don't acknowledge them. I don't know why Luke didn't defend Andy, but in that situation I wouldn't either, because it was clearly bitter comment for a fight and I'm not sure that I would want to invest part of my time for a person like that who has hurt me.

@Natalie I like your theory. It makes a lot of sense. I haven't thought about that.

The murder cover for me was an attempt to show that sometimes even the cops need to do some dirty work to catch up the bad guys. Did Boyd cross the line? Sure, I totally agree with you. He was so caught up in his wish to catch up the criminal, but unfortunately sometimes the only way to have them in prison is to play by their rules. Hence, the Undercover operations. I think that almost every undercover cop has done things that they usually wouldn't do, but it's the only way to not blow their cover. The similar dilemma goes for attorneys and lawyers - unfortunately sometimes you need to cross the line and do illegal things in order to put the right people in jail. Of course there are illegal things and illegal things. What I'm saying that the situation is some kind of gray.

Both ends of the line are wrong. If you are too sensitive, you can't be so good cop, because you will be too caught in every case you work on. You'll be devastated every time someone die, this is high psychological pressure. If you are too insensitive to avoid this, you might become cold person. I think that it's not easy at all to be cop or detective for that matter and I think that sometimes this change people and their way of seeing things.
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Mar 10 2012, 04:11 AM
@svugirl I didn't mean that I didn't care if my future boyfriend defends me or not. I meant that I don't find it necessary for me to defend my actions or choices in front of someone that has hurt me. Probably because if someone hurt me that way, they kind of dead for me. I just don't acknowledge them. I don't know why Luke didn't defend Andy, but in that situation I wouldn't either, because it was clearly bitter comment for a fight and I'm not sure that I would want to invest part of my time for a person like that who has hurt me.

@Natalie I like your theory. It makes a lot of sense. I haven't thought about that.

The murder cover for me was an attempt to show that sometimes even the cops need to do some dirty work to catch up the bad guys. Did Boyd cross the line? Sure, I totally agree with you. He was so caught up in his wish to catch up the criminal, but unfortunately sometimes the only way to have them in prison is to play by their rules. Hence, the Undercover operations. I think that almost every undercover cop has done things that they usually wouldn't do, but it's the only way to not blow their cover. The similar dilemma goes for attorneys and lawyers - unfortunately sometimes you need to cross the line and do illegal things in order to put the right people in jail. Of course there are illegal things and illegal things. What I'm saying that the situation is some kind of gray.

Both ends of the line are wrong. If you are too sensitive, you can't be so good cop, because you will be too caught in every case you work on. You'll be devastated every time someone die, this is high psychological pressure. If you are too insensitive to avoid this, you might become cold person. I think that it's not easy at all to be cop or detective for that matter and I think that sometimes this change people and their way of seeing things.
Oh ok. I see what you were saying now. Sorry, I'm tired. Thanks for clearing that up.

Well although I believe the coverup is not acceptable under any circumstance (plus Boyd only did it to help himself), he also knowingly gave Sam the seized boat, aware that it could get him killed. So that's another thing.

But I agree with you that there has to be a balance if you're a cop, you have to find a way to balance the emotion while also remaining objective.
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Mar 10 2012, 04:11 AM
The murder cover for me was an attempt to show that sometimes even the cops need to do some dirty work to catch up the bad guys. Did Boyd cross the line? Sure, I totally agree with you. He was so caught up in his wish to catch up the criminal, but unfortunately sometimes the only way to have them in prison is to play by their rules. Hence, the Undercover operations. I think that almost every undercover cop has done things that they usually wouldn't do, but it's the only way to not blow their cover. The similar dilemma goes for attorneys and lawyers - unfortunately sometimes you need to cross the line and do illegal things in order to put the right people in jail. Of course there are illegal things and illegal things. What I'm saying that the situation is some kind of gray.
Yeah, cops might do it, but it's very VERY much so against the rules to be such a cowboy that you decide on your own that having a CI in a small motorcycle gang trumps a double murder of a mother and small child. That's a huge no no. That's personal ambition run amok. No PD would overlook that, unless maybe the cop in question had a very long string of superstar busts prior to pulling something like that, which given the Landry bungling which Sam basically had to take over to save, I highly doubt. It sounded like Boyd only got some juice only after he got his dirty CI.
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Oh I agree he crossed the line. That is without doubt. I just wonder if he was always that way or the work made him that way. Because we see him what he is now, the same goes for the other TOs.

The way I see it this series is for the rookies and their journey to become real cops. And maybe part of this grow is to see how the other people have changed because of the work so that they can avoid those mistakes.
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Sigh oh Boyd...I initially had a crush on you. But it went bad so fast, broke my heart just a little. He really is a douchy character. But Jo still disappointed me most overall. Talk about a woman scorned.
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Well he still is hot in a weird way (don't shoot me :lmao: ). I just think that the actor plays very well that cocky bad character. You just love to hate him.

Yeah I agree - at first I liked Jo and I really wanted to still like her, but from the cheating it kinda went down hill. At some point it was hard to find redemption for the character. There are still some qualities I liked about her, but almost all her positives would be her negatives, because she didn't always balance them.
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Mar 10 2012, 04:44 PM
Well he still is hot in a weird way (don't shoot me :lmao: ). I just think that the actor plays very well that cocky bad character. You just love to hate him.

Yeah I agree - at first I liked Jo and I really wanted to still like her, but from the cheating it kinda went down hill. At some point it was hard to find redemption for the character. There are still some qualities I liked about her, but almost all her positives would be her negatives, because she didn't always balance them.
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Here is what I am wondering about Maggie and Gracie's death. Was it really meant for them? A few years ago I read a story and a person tried to kill the man who ruined his life by tampering with brakes and in the end, the wife drove the car and was killed. As much as Boyd wanted Brennan, I find the murder of a baby to be a little bit too much
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Here is what I am wondering about Maggie and Gracie's death. Was it really meant for them? A few years ago I read a story and a person tried to kill the man who ruined his life by tampering with brakes and in the end, the wife drove the car and was killed. As much as Boyd wanted Brennan, I find the murder of a baby to be a little bit too much
I think they made it seem like the biker whose brother was tortured and killed by Brennan wanted revenge. So he wanted to kill Brennan's family like he killed his brother. In a really horrible and gruesome way.
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To change the topic a little - someone asked a while ago about where to watch the episodes. Globaltv.com has all of the episodes. For Canadian fans, you can watch it there. Right now it is working in the US as well (happy me!) I'm not sure about places other than the US and Canada but now that most of the other sites took everything down, it is awesome that you can still watch on the internet.
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I recently found all of S2 on Vuze for torrent lovers.
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Finally finished 2.13 (I've been watching in bits and pieces)


The first scene with Sam and Andy....swoon!

Love the way that Andy is not in Parade but gets Traci to tell her everything.

Who's the breech? AWKWARD!!!!

I like how they used Luke for everything (cuz I love Eric) - it just goes to show that Andy and Luke can still work together.

I just realized - why isn't Gail there for the bust? She was totally involved in everything.

Noelle's 'pretty sure' she's pregnant - that's not a definite (not to be a pessimist or anything but she didn't look pregnant in the few pictures she was in for season 3).

"Wanna try being normal together?" - why couldn't they show her getting in the car?
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Finally finished 2.13 (I've been watching in bits and pieces)


The first scene with Sam and Andy....swoon!

Love the way that Andy is not in Parade but gets Traci to tell her everything.

Who's the breech? AWKWARD!!!!

I like how they used Luke for everything (cuz I love Eric) - it just goes to show that Andy and Luke can still work together.

I just realized - why isn't Gail there for the bust? She was totally involved in everything.

Noelle's 'pretty sure' she's pregnant - that's not a definite (not to be a pessimist or anything but she didn't look pregnant in the few pictures she was in for season 3).

"Wanna try being normal together?" - why couldn't they show her getting in the car?
That first scene is a perfect showcase of how amazing chemistry and good acting can make you feel like you are really there. I literally feel like I am spying on them.

The Noelle thing worries me. I hope it isn't false hope! It would be interesting to see how pregnancy affects a female cop. I have read lots of fanfic about it but have no knowledge of whether it really is like that.

I would be normal or not with Sam. I wouldn't even hesitate. I'd have been in that truck before he even started talking.
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Yeah, Southland just started a really good storyline with a newly pregnant detective who unexpectedly got assigned to supervisory duty back in uniform. That's an awesome character played by Regina King, who's a phenomenal actress. I'd like to see them do a bit more with Noelle and give Melanie some meaty scenes next season. With the Sarge as the baby daddy, there's plenty of possibilities for drama.
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