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Who is right about Claire McNally?
Topic Started: Jul 13 2012, 04:34 AM (2,737 Views)
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@LAWoman -I agree. I think in the past Sam has also sort of hung back and watched things happen with Andy and maybe she expected the same this time.
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I can't answer because there hasn't been enough info provided yet. Maybe rephrase the question or as Cythy suggested offer more options for answers. I'm with Sam as far as how do you suddenly trust your Mother who left you behind and hasn't tried to find you once they're back in your area? Andy being a copper should also be wary of her and want to know more. I think she should have been more understanding of Sam's reasoning for his search. Granted Andy could ask Claire directly, but can she trust her answer? I'm starting to wonder if Andy really wants to know the truthful answers. Those answers could prove to be very painful for her if they reveal any negative bearings against Tommy. I have serious questions why Claire didn't try to search and reach out to Andy once she became an adult. Claire told Andy she tried calling each and every Sunday but never said when she stopped calling. She certainly wasn't trying to call Andy once she reached adulthood. As far as Claire and Andy meeting, there's no way that could have been set up. That completely seems to have happened by chance. So I can't see that Claire moved to the area to receive anything intentionally from Andy. If Claire had a motive and wanted something I think she would have already tried to find and make contact with Andy directly. I don't see Claire waiting for their paths to maybe pass one day, with the intention to take advantage and seek out whatever she wants or needs from Andy. I do see Claire as someone Andy shouldn't just automatically trust because she spent 15 years wondering why her Mom left her and now she doesn't want to spend another 15 years wondering why she's back. I think Andy should listen to Sam's words of wit pertaining to (silent alarms going off and not being aware). :whistle I think Andy gave Claire the key to her home why to fast and without thinking. I also think Sam was right by doing a back ground check. Basically, who is Claire, where has she been for 15 years, what has she been doing, and why is she back? Back ground checks are done all the time in my area, it's really not that big of a deal. When people apply for apartments landlords run background checks on potential tenants so they know who to rent to. Jobs run Cory checks all the time.
Will Claire turn out to be as genuine as she seems? IDK :dunno: Something about Andy so easily accepting her Mother back in her life doesn't seem right, until the story unfolds, Andy should be proceeding with caution. Maybe in the long run Andy might be right about her Mom, but right now I view Sam's actions and cautions as in Andy's best interest. I see Andy as throwing all caution to the wind once her Mother gave her a sentimental offering. Was the sentimental gestures real or is Andy being set up for a fall? I see Sam as doing the right thing and that won't change even if it turns out that Andy is right about her Mom.

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I don't think the background check itself is the issue. It's the fact that doing something like that without talking to Andy first is overstepping, as far as Andy sees it. Because Sam wasn't a part of that whole thing with her mom and her leaving etc, it's like Andy thinks he has no right to push past her and try to force these answers and maybe even hope to find something that would end the reunion all to quickly


And actually, considering you still need consent as a civilian to run a background check, I don't think it's really any small thing, Sam using his job to get this information.


At least I've had to sign everytime someone ran a legit background check on me.
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Jul 13 2012, 12:57 PM
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Jul 13 2012, 10:42 AM
I think Sam is eventually going to be right for the most part. Where has Claire been all of these years that Andy has been an adult and able to make her own decisions about having a relationship with her mom. If what Claire said was true about Tommy not allowing her to talk to Andy, then she still has a ton of years to account for. All the sudden they meet by chance and she wants to be in Andy's life, I don't buy it. I think there is an ulterior motive there and she will end up leaving.
Ha! When TV absentee parents resurface, don't they always need a kidney donor or something? Maybe that's what Sam was afraid of.


Lol, I was actually thinking something along those lines when I wrote that.

I really like that Sam cares enough to look into Andy's mom. Yes, it comes off and overprotective and yes I believe he crossed a line that he shouldn't have crossed, but I think any normal person in his situation would have done the same thing. So, yes I condone his actions, as wrong as they may have been in the moral standpoint.

I do think that Andy has issues with her mom that happened long before Sam was in the picture and she needs to address those with her mom while leaving Sam out of the picture, but I like knowing that Sam will be there for her if/when her mother decides to walk out again (which I personally believe is inevitable however far down the line it may be).
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Jul 13 2012, 09:38 PM
Granted Andy could ask Claire directly, but can she trust her answer? I'm starting to wonder if Andy really wants to know the truthful answers.
Exactly - who knows? She can't even get a straight answer on whether or not she called every week or not. I would tend to trust the person who raised me for my entire life, over someone I just recently met. Mother or not.

ESPECIALLY if that mother had the upstanding moral values to leave her 12 yr old daughter behind for a fuckin GUY.

Sorry, for my insistance on this, but I swear if this woman turns out to be legit - someone can provide me the salt to eat my hat with!
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Granted Andy could ask Claire directly, but can she trust her answer? I'm starting to wonder if Andy really wants to know the truthful answers.
Exactly - who knows? She can't evben get a straight answer on whether or not she called ever week or not. I would tend to trust the person who raised me for my entire life, over someone I just recently met. Mother or not.

ESPECIALLY if that mother had the upstanding moral values to leave her 12 yr old daughter behing for a fuckin GUY.
Yeah, I feel the need to say this over and over again.

I don't think it was as simple as leaving Andy for some guy. I just don't.
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Jul 13 2012, 09:43 PM
I don't think the background check itself is the issue. It's the fact that doing something like that without talking to Andy first is overstepping, as far as Andy sees it. Because Sam wasn't a part of that whole thing with her mom and her leaving etc, it's like Andy thinks he has no right to push past her and try to force these answers and maybe even hope to find something that would end the reunion all to quickly


And actually, considering you still need consent as a civilian to run a background check, I don't think it's really any small thing, Sam using his job to get this information.


At least I've had to sign everytime someone ran a legit background check on me.
I am repectfully agreeing to disagree with some of your reasoning surrounding Sam's motives. I'm not sure if Sam motives were all of what you are suggesting. I don't think Sam had any intention to harm Andy by his actions as you suggest that he may hope to find something that could end the reunion all to quickly. Intentionally ending a reunion between Claire and Andy would certainly be harmful.
Actually, almost anyone can find out things about others with out there consent or knowledge if they pay money to so! There are websites that provide information on peoples rental and family history. I have used a website company in helping someone try to locate a person who had been missing for several years. If you are applying for a loan you have to give your verbal permission to the for the company to run your credit history and fico score. You are right and I agree that your permission and signature is required to run a cory check (criminal record). I'm not sure if police need permission or not. I would say probably not since they ran Izzy's boyfriend criminal record. They may need to have probable cause to do so. I would say being a suspect in a stabbing would be classified as probable cause. I have no idea if a cory was included in the info that Sam received. I would have to re-watch the ep. and listen to what Andy read off from the report. I know she read off speeding tickets but I have no idea if that would be found only on a cory check.

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Jul 13 2012, 10:29 PM
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Jul 13 2012, 09:38 PM
Granted Andy could ask Claire directly, but can she trust her answer? I'm starting to wonder if Andy really wants to know the truthful answers.
Exactly - who knows? She can't evben get a straight answer on whether or not she called ever week or not. I would tend to trust the person who raised me for my entire life, over someone I just recently met. Mother or not.

ESPECIALLY if that mother had the upstanding moral values to leave her 12 yr old daughter behing for a fuckin GUY.
Yeah, I feel the need to say this over and over again.

I don't think it was as simple as leaving Andy for some guy. I just don't.
I do. A lot of woman are like that. Bored housewives unhappy with life who think the grass is greener.

Maybe I will eat my hat.

Maybe the things I've learned in my life will reign true here, too.

Hopefully the show will give us straight answers about it all.
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That's what Im saying. He used his job to get information that would not necessarily be legally privy to civilians without consent. That's overstepping. It wasn't for a case. It wasn't in any way for his job. That's where the "wrong" comes in.

And I NEVER said Sam was trying to harm Andy. Ever.

Him doing things "in her best interest" is condescending, bc it assumes she's not able to do it for herself. If I were Andy and he told me he was doing it for my own good, I'd scream. She's a grown up and she should be allowed to make these decisions for herself. She's not his daughter. She's his girlfriend.
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I just don't think Andy's got her head on straight about this whole thing so... I mean, I don't think he should've done it behind her back (or at least been a little more GD secretive about it) but if she's gonna be crazy enough to just trust Claire then... she's asking for trouble.
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Jul 13 2012, 10:32 PM
That's what Im saying. He used his job to get information that would not necessarily be legally privy to civilians without consent. That's overstepping. It wasn't for a case. It wasn't in any way for his job. That's where the "wrong" comes in.

And I NEVER said Sam was trying to harm Andy. Ever.

I do agree with Margie on this. I think the bottom line is that he is suspicious. I don't think Sam has a very trusting nature at all whereas Andy does (another major difference). He doesn't trust her, ran a background check and got caught.

I also am 99% sure that a cop should not run a background check on anyone unless they are a suspect or witness or such.
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Jul 13 2012, 10:32 PM

Him doing things "in her best interest" is condescending, bc it assumes she's not able to do it for herself. If I were Andy and he told me he was doing it for my own good, I'd scream. She's a grown up and she should be allowed to make these decisions for herself. She's not his daughter. She's his girlfriend.
That I don't agree with. If you love someone you look out for them whether they like it or not. Period. Just like Oliver with Izzy. And - yes, she is not his daughter, but she is still plenty naive and way too trusting.
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Him doing things "in her best interest" is condescending, bc it assumes she's not able to do it for herself. If I were Andy and he told me he was doing it for my own good, I'd scream. She's a grown up and she should be allowed to make these decisions for herself. She's not his daughter. She's his girlfriend.
That I don't agree with. If you love someone you look out for them whether they like it or not. Period. Just like Oliver with Izzy. And - yes, she is not his daughter, but she is still plenty naive and way too trusting.
And I think there are plenty of 27 year olds around who don't have the "benefit" of someone constantly watching over their shoulder and they make it just fine. Clearly, Andy didn't appreciate it at the time, either.
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Him doing things "in her best interest" is condescending, bc it assumes she's not able to do it for herself. If I were Andy and he told me he was doing it for my own good, I'd scream. She's a grown up and she should be allowed to make these decisions for herself. She's not his daughter. She's his girlfriend.
That I don't agree with. If you love someone you look out for them whether they like it or not. Period. Just like Oliver with Izzy. And - yes, she is not his daughter, but she is still plenty naive and way too trusting.
And I think there are plenty of 27 year olds around who don't have the "benefit" of someone constantly watching over their shoulder and they make it just fine. Clearly, Andy didn't appreciate it at the time, either.
You are right - Plenty don't but she does.

Maybe that is more forshadowing. "Let us fumble around and learn from our screw ups"

Unfortunately, I have a feeling she will learn. On her own. The hard way. :uhh:
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Him doing things "in her best interest" is condescending, bc it assumes she's not able to do it for herself. If I were Andy and he told me he was doing it for my own good, I'd scream. She's a grown up and she should be allowed to make these decisions for herself. She's not his daughter. She's his girlfriend.
That I don't agree with. If you love someone you look out for them whether they like it or not. Period. Just like Oliver with Izzy. And - yes, she is not his daughter, but she is still plenty naive and way too trusting.
And I think there are plenty of 27 year olds around who don't have the "benefit" of someone constantly watching over their shoulder and they make it just fine. Clearly, Andy didn't appreciate it at the time, either.
You are right - Plenty don't but she does.

Maybe that is more forshadowing. "Let us fumble around and learn from our screw ups"

Unfortunately, I have a feeling she will learn. On her own. The hard way. :uhh:
Honestly, maybe that's the best way to really learn. She won't make that mistake twice, that's for sure.
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Him doing things "in her best interest" is condescending, bc it assumes she's not able to do it for herself. If I were Andy and he told me he was doing it for my own good, I'd scream. She's a grown up and she should be allowed to make these decisions for herself. She's not his daughter. She's his girlfriend.
That I don't agree with. If you love someone you look out for them whether they like it or not. Period. Just like Oliver with Izzy. And - yes, she is not his daughter, but she is still plenty naive and way too trusting.
And I think there are plenty of 27 year olds around who don't have the "benefit" of someone constantly watching over their shoulder and they make it just fine. Clearly, Andy didn't appreciate it at the time, either.
You are right - Plenty don't but she does.

Maybe that is more forshadowing. "Let us fumble around and learn from our screw ups"

Unfortunately, I have a feeling she will learn. On her own. The hard way. :uhh:
Honestly, maybe that's the best way to really learn. She won't make that mistake twice, that's for sure.
Could be. I just hope if that's the case, it doesn't make her even more emotionally screwed up.
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I think Andy's a lot stronger than people give her credit for. She's already been through a lot that we've seen and she's come out alright.
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That's what Im saying. He used his job to get information that would not necessarily be legally privy to civilians without consent. That's overstepping. It wasn't for a case. It wasn't in any way for his job. That's where the "wrong" comes in.

And I NEVER said Sam was trying to harm Andy. Ever.

I do agree with Margie on this. I think the bottom line is that he is suspicious. I don't think Sam has a very trusting nature at all whereas Andy does (another major difference). He doesn't trust her, ran a background check and got caught.

I also am 99% sure that a cop should not run a background check on anyone unless they are a suspect or witness or such.
Actually, I just think Sam and Andy are different about how they bestow trust. I think Sam is much more selective and cautious about investing deeply in people. But once he does, he's actually more confident those people he trusts won't let him down if he extends them trust. Just look at how he had Oliver's back during the gun confrontation and the many times he's trusted Andy.

Andy lets people in much more readily, but I think she's always afraid those she loves will let her down eventually, just like her parents have in the past. She's constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop and things to fall apart. Look how soon she was voicing doubts that Sam (really her) thought they were too different and wouldn't last. And then later she made him promise explicitly not to just walk out on her if things ever got tough.

I'm not saying Sam has no fears Andy might break his heart too. But I think he just decides to risk it and not dwell on those possibilities, whereas she can't really help it.
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I think Andy's a lot stronger than people give her credit for. She's already been through a lot that we've seen and she's come out alright.
I agree 100% but I still think that all the stuff her "MOM" put her through has seriously skewed her view on romantic relationships. JMHO
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I think Andy's a lot stronger than people give her credit for. She's already been through a lot that we've seen and she's come out alright.
I agree 100% but I still think that all the stuff her "MOM" put her through has seriously skewed her view on romantic relationships. JMHO
I'm not disagreeing with that at all. But I don't think she should be forced to let it define her either. I think she should have the opportunity to face it, deal with it, and get past it. And I think it would mean a lot more and maybe be more profound if it was something she accomplished herself, instead of someone else stirring things up.
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