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Who is right about Claire McNally?
Topic Started: Jul 13 2012, 04:34 AM (2,735 Views)
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LAwoman
Jul 13 2012, 11:08 PM
deedee920
Jul 13 2012, 10:35 PM
margie311
Jul 13 2012, 10:32 PM
That's what Im saying. He used his job to get information that would not necessarily be legally privy to civilians without consent. That's overstepping. It wasn't for a case. It wasn't in any way for his job. That's where the "wrong" comes in.

And I NEVER said Sam was trying to harm Andy. Ever.

I do agree with Margie on this. I think the bottom line is that he is suspicious. I don't think Sam has a very trusting nature at all whereas Andy does (another major difference). He doesn't trust her, ran a background check and got caught.

I also am 99% sure that a cop should not run a background check on anyone unless they are a suspect or witness or such.
Actually, I just think Sam and Andy are different about how they bestow trust. I think Sam is much more selective and cautious about investing deeply in people. But once he does, he's actually more confident those people he trusts won't let him down if he extends them trust. Just look at how he had Oliver's back during the gun confrontation and the many times he's trusted Andy.

Andy lets people in much more readily, but I think she's always afraid those she loves will let her down eventually, just like her parents have in the past. She's constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop and things to fall apart. Look how soon she was voicing doubts that Sam (really her) thought they were too different and wouldn't last. And then later she made him promise explicitly not to just walk out on her if things ever got tough.

I'm not saying Sam has no fears Andy might break his heart too. But I think he just decides to risk it and not dwell on those possibilities, whereas she can't really help it.
You're right. People have to EARN Sam's trust.

I get that - With me, if I consider you a REAL friend, you are my family. Then again, I don't need a full hand to count those people ;-)
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Jul 13 2012, 11:11 PM
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Jul 13 2012, 11:08 PM
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Jul 13 2012, 11:03 PM
I think Andy's a lot stronger than people give her credit for. She's already been through a lot that we've seen and she's come out alright.
I agree 100% but I still think that all the stuff her "MOM" put her through has seriously skewed her view on romantic relationships. JMHO
I'm not disagreeing with that at all. But I don't think she should be forced to let it define her either. I think she should have the opportunity to face it, deal with it, and get past it. And I think it would mean a lot more and maybe be more profound if it was something she accomplished herself, instead of someone else stirring things up.
Thats true too. I do not agree AT ALL about how bratty she was acting with Sam, but--- right, the cat who walks by herself --- she wants to deal with the hard stuff on her own, whether becuase she is used to it, or for no other reason other than to prove that she can. I get it.

Sam, though is also making a point that she doesn't have to.

All valid points points made here.
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@deedee - yeah, I dont disagree at all that his intentions were good.
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Jul 13 2012, 09:22 PM
I think one of the reasons Sam doing this hit such a raw nerve with Andy is that even though in some cases she's had better instincts, in general she trusts Sam's gut. So the mere fact that he was on guard enough to risk a backlash and poke around must raise the hackles of all those worst fears she's desperately trying to ignore.
This hit the nail on the head for me.

I think Andy was indeed angry in part because she wants to handle things on her own and didn't appreciate Sam requesting the background check without her knowledge - not that she was particularly responsive when he tried to bring up his qualms more openly, both post-food fight and then in the car. Based on the timing (breaking up the rave, him receiving the file as soon as they were back at the barn), this was clearly something that had been in the works for however long, but I personally think it would've been a tiny bit more justifiable on his part had he decided to obtain the info on Claire after their conversation in the squad car. It's one thing to handle a new and difficult situation (Claire coming back into her life) independently, but to handle a new and difficult situation in a completely different way than she normally would, and express that she's completely comfortable with that - it's absolutely a reasonable cause for concern on his part. He was right when he apologized that he didn't go about it in the right way, but because of her response (or lack thereof), there unfortunately wasn't a right way. (Not that I think staying completely out of it when he was worried about her would have been the best thing either, but... he was basically damned if he did, damned if he didn't.)

I think beyond the involvement behind her back, though, Andy (for all her talk about being fine with things being messy) has to be scared that Claire's going to leave again as soon as Andy grows accustomed to having her in her life. While she does let people in more readily than Sam, her fear of abandonment is also still very present, and it was probably a lot easier to just let herself be mad at Sam than acknowledge the possibility of getting hurt that way again. (They're not so good at dealing with the elephants in the room, these two.)

Point is, neither one was right or wrong. Like many other people have expressed, I think time will tell.
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That was just very....succinct and well-thought out *L* Awesome.
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Ya for me neither is right or wrong, but certainly I disagree with how they both handled it.
Andy should know better than to have an argument about personal relationship stuff in a work environment. She should also be more cautious of people. She has not really known her mom as an adult; and as a cop her instinct should tell her to approach with care and caution. I get that she wants to get to know her mother, it must eat away at one's soul to have a parent around that you can't communicate with. But perhaps she should have spent a little time explaining her thinking to Sam? Show him some respect and that she values his opinion even if they don't agree.
Sam - if you are worried about your girlfriend, come right out and say so. Don't drop subtle comments and snide remarks and do sneaky things. Be a man, risk the argument upfront and show your genuine and real concern.
This is just my opinion - I know no one is perfect but after knowing each other and becoming friends and then lovers I hoped these kinds of upsets could be avoided.
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Natalie, that's the thing - as much as I wish they would have handled things as you described and communicated properly, I've sort of accepted that they're not quite there, either individually or as a couple. (Working that out is part of 'finding their normal', I guess - having the strength and trust in one another to put aside fear for the sake of openness and honesty.) I think what happened in 3.06 may have been a step in the right direction in that regard, and I'm looking forward to seeing that maturity continue to develop in how they relate to each other. I don't know, maybe I'd just rather work with them from where they are than have yet another reason to be frustrated with them this season. :)
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Just read through all these posts and I wanted to comment that I agree with the point that Claire leaving was not just as simple as "a guy". I think that there is more to the back story and honestly, I'm a little surprised that Andy wasn't more pushy with her father in 3.05 to find out a little more. Tommy's not as innocent as we have made him out to be and I think that Andy is realizing that she herself painted her father in a certain light and maybe he acted in a way that really wasn't the best for her - not saying that she should blame Tommy, he did what he thought was best for his little girl.
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@Cythy I definitely agree it's far more complicated than just some guy. People who have kids get divorced all the time. Leaving for someone else is one of those reasons but you don't just go cutting the parent that left out of the kid's life.


Reading all the posts made me think more about the whole situation. While I still think Sam is right about Claire. I do think that Claire will disappoint Andy. Having said that though I'm really beginning to think he shouldn't have gone behind Andy's back like that. He knows how Andy is when he comes to letting people in her life. He's been a huge part of her life for how long now? He should know how she is. She's also an adult and she gets to make those decisions.

@LAwoman you're absolutely right about Sam. He doesn't go around handing out trust like candy during a parade. Which is why I think it's hard for Sam to understand Andy's decision to just let her mom back in her life even though had they not met at random like that she wouldn't be in her life.

But like I said above it is Andy's decision and Sam just needs to back Andy up no matter how he feels about the situation. Then if he does turn out to be right,and Claire does break Andy's hear again. Then he just needs to be there for her.


(oops I wrote the same thing in the same sentence twice. The washer went off balance for a second and it distracted me lol)
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I think his intentions were good, the way he went about it? Not so much. But I think there is more to this and his concerns will be validated at some point.
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I like that there was no distinct and well established resolution...Sam shows a flaw which Andy always knew existed and he admitted it and Andy has to learn to live with it.
And Andy is realizing that when people care about you they will do things you don't always agree with and Sam knows that Andy sometimes blindly goes into things that she hopes will turn out for the best and the most he can do is be there if/when it doesn't work out.
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Quick question for you all because I can't find the answer... How many episodes is Claire in this season? Have we seen the last of her, or does she appear in another one? I thought I read somewhere early on that she was in 3 episodes... but I could just be making that up?!?!
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Jul 20 2012, 10:17 PM
Quick question for you all because I can't find the answer... How many episodes is Claire in this season? Have we seen the last of her, or does she appear in another one? I thought I read somewhere early on that she was in 3 episodes... but I could just be making that up?!?!
I think she's in one more. I *think* anyway :)
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Jul 20 2012, 10:22 PM
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Jul 20 2012, 10:17 PM
Quick question for you all because I can't find the answer... How many episodes is Claire in this season? Have we seen the last of her, or does she appear in another one? I thought I read somewhere early on that she was in 3 episodes... but I could just be making that up?!?!
I think she's in one more. I *think* anyway :)
Thanks! I thought that too, but when I tried to confirm it, I couldn't find anything written. I hope we get to see her at least one more time, so maybe we can get more answers to her 15 year disappearing act.
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I was wondering what her next scene will be and what it may bring.
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Jul 21 2012, 12:49 AM
I was wondering what her next scene will be and what it may bring.
Same here! My guess is that it's gonna be weird... like andy won't know what to think.
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Jul 21 2012, 12:49 AM
I was wondering what her next scene will be and what it may bring.
Same here! My guess is that it's gonna be weird... like andy won't know what to think.
Oh no I hope not...I am wishing she just works hard to make amends...guess that is not good drama tv! lol
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