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| Sam's Past; what do we know for certain (or close to certain)? | |
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| snafu | Jul 22 2012, 05:49 PM Post #1 |
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I couldn't find a thread like this and I had no clue where to put it, I debated Spoiler Spot and Speculation Space but since it could be either I opted for here. Mods, feel free to move.We've learned more about Sam's past this season than we have any of the others and I'd just like to hash out what we know; fill in some of the gaps so to speak. I'm working on a fic and it would really help to compile all the little things we know that are canon (since I'm confusing what we know from the show and what I've read in fanfic. :haha:) For example, based on comments tassie made on twitter the stuff said in JD's apartment in 3x12 is true for Sam, and if not all of it the takeaway is that his Dad was/is in jail. And the foster home comment... If I'm not mistaken, all we really got from that is that he was, at some point, in foster care but we don't know the circumstances of what/why/when. (Enter fanfic... )Am I missing any snippets from previous seasons? Or anything else that was mentioned this season? |
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| McSwarekFan_Brittany | Jul 22 2012, 06:01 PM Post #2 |
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We know that Sarah developed a social anxiety disorder after being attacked. Which made Sam into the guy that wants to protect people from being hurt. The JD story about his dad is probably true. If it is I'm interested to know exactly what the deal was. There are many reasons that someone ends up in prison. Personally, I'm inclined to not believe that the foster care comment was not a hint that it was something that happened to him. Until and if they actually write it to make him say it point blank I'm not going to believe it. I know someone said Tassie alluded that it's something to do with his past. But she could also just have said that to keep us guessing and analyzing. Like some of the pictures on the RB Tumblr maybe some of the confessions that are about things that haven't happened yet [like Claire and the key] are things that are going to happen but then again maybe not. I'm sure she knows how we [the fans] are when it comes to the show. And they like to keep us on our toes. Edited by McSwarekFan_Brittany, Jul 22 2012, 06:02 PM.
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| Nathy | Jul 22 2012, 06:37 PM Post #3 |
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I think it's more correct to say we assume he's been in foster care. We don't know that for certain and actually some people think that comment from Sam doesn't mean he was himself in foster care (I don't really know what to think on that subject myself)
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| vixenali | Jul 22 2012, 07:48 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah, the foster care debate is a hard one. He may have spent a short time in it, none at all, or bounced from home to home, or grew up in the same foster home since he was a young child. It depends on the story of his mother. Did she die at a young age? Was she unfit and had them taken away from her? Did she not want her children? Lots of scenarios. I'm doing a case study on a pseudo client for my class (I picked Sarah with elements of real people I know). I have them growing up with their mom married to another man (so their step-father) after Sarah's attack, that the Sam and Sarah did not like. I started it a couple weeks ago, and I already want to change their childhood because of the episodes! It's fun to speculate all this stuff though
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| margie311 | Jul 22 2012, 07:50 PM Post #5 |
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@McSwarekFan_Brittany - I tend to agree with that...the whole "not believe it til you see it" thing. I think part of me is still a little primed about Luke, bc ABC.com had originally labeled him as the one who grew up in foster care, and if that is STILL the case (though how would we even know), I can't see them doing that with two characters. I'm personally waiting anxiously for S4 when we'll (supposedly) get the dirt about Sam (and in turn, about Sarah). Edited by margie311, Jul 22 2012, 07:55 PM.
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| StarryDreamer | Jul 22 2012, 07:55 PM Post #6 |
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We know that Sarah currently lives in St. Catherine's. For those unacquainted, St. Catherine's is near the Buffalo/Niagara border between Canada and the U.S. It's truly a quaint little town. Lots of farms, affordable housing, very much a rural/suburban sort of town. Cute. Sam did mention that he's a city boy so I wonder how Sarah wound up in St. Catherine's. St. Catherine's isn't exactly a "city" like Toronto is, if you know what I mean. |
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| AnaFL | Jul 22 2012, 07:56 PM Post #7 |
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I thought it was Luke who went to a foster care, but who knows for sure ???? |
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| margie311 | Jul 22 2012, 07:57 PM Post #8 |
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It's entirely possible that it's something as simple as that's where she found a job, or maybe she didn't like the traffic in Toronto. There may not even be a detailed reason. |
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| Cythy | Jul 22 2012, 08:01 PM Post #9 |
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ABC's website labels Luke as the one in foster care - but they haven't updated since season 1. As for Sam - I'm actually wondering if it was Sarah that went into foster care - sometimes after attacks like she had, parents realize that they can't take care of their children (she had the freak attack on the bus) - it could be that Sarah was sent to foster care to help her through her issues and that is how Sam knows about foster care. |
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| katydid13 | Jul 22 2012, 08:53 PM Post #10 |
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We knew Sam is a city boy and if we consider commentary to be "cannon." We know that Sam grew up on what might be considered the "wrong side of the tracks" and might be working a garage if he wasn't a cop. See the commentary below from Class Dismissed (S3Ep2): 17:32 Russ Cochrane: They want to talk to Bobby Alverez. The idea behind this was that there are two worlds that happen in this episode... 17:35 Russ Cochrane: there’s the straight path sort of represented by the school; and then the wrong side of the tracks represented by the garage. The school side is very Andy... 17:40 Russ Cochrane: she feels comfortable there – she leads all of the scenes at the school, and the garage, or wrong side of the tracks, is more Sam’s territory. 17:45 Russ Cochrane: I wanted to tell a story where these worlds intersect – quite tragically. Here’s an example of Sam in this world interacting with J.T. 17:50 Russ Cochrane: The thing with J.T is that he’s probably a guy that Sam grew up with, and Sam he wasn’t a cop, he might very well work at this garage. 17:55 Russ Cochrane: He’s in and out of that world, and so he’s probably conflicted when he’s there. Edited by katydid13, Jul 22 2012, 08:54 PM.
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| cheemie | Jul 22 2012, 09:13 PM Post #11 |
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We know that he was fond of relationships where there were no strings attached. |
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| McSwarekFan_Brittany | Jul 22 2012, 09:19 PM Post #12 |
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Not necessarily, from what he said it sounded like Monica was the one who wanted the no-strings relationship. Cause he said, "You were the one who said you didn't want strings." But he may very well be the no strings type. |
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| cheemie | Jul 22 2012, 09:50 PM Post #13 |
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Right - but that's why he was with her - she said she didn't want strings. He was a little taken aback by the way she was acting because I think it was his understandng - she didn't want strings - which apparently worked just fine for him. |
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| margie311 | Jul 22 2012, 09:58 PM Post #14 |
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Well, that's not necessarily true. We actually know very little about what transpired between Sam and Monica. We don't know how long they had this "relationship". They may have known each other a long time before he went under cover. It was certainly long enough for her to put some of her heart into it. And we don't know how they met/got together, etc. Maybe she said she wanted no strings bc she didn't want to scare him away. Maybe he wouldn't have actually been scared away, but this situation worked for him too. Really, it's a very open scenario. And just because they didn't have any "strings" doesn't mean he didn't care about her at all. He clearly felt uncomfortable and guilty about the whole thing. He at least cared enough about her to know he was hurting her feelings and enough to feel bad about it. Edit: and I don't actually think he was surprised by her comments...I think he was extremely well-aware of the fact that she had real feelings for him, but he just sort of threw that "I thought you didn't want strings" in as a really lame excuse when she called him on his shit about Andy. Edited by margie311, Jul 22 2012, 10:21 PM.
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| McSwarekFan_Brittany | Jul 22 2012, 10:22 PM Post #15 |
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these are all very valid points. You know what this thread has made me realize??? We really know absolutely nothing about Sam. Most of what we know, or think we know, is inferred in the physicality of how Ben portrays him and what we've interpreted through things he's said. |
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| margie311 | Jul 22 2012, 10:24 PM Post #16 |
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@McSwarekFan_Brittany - You are so incredibly right :) He really is a mystery. And everytime I think I've got him figured out, the writers have him say something, or do something I would never have expected him to say/do in previous seasons. Sometimes I think they're still figuring him out as well, as much as they claim to have it all worked out. |
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| McSwarekFan_Brittany | Jul 22 2012, 10:33 PM Post #17 |
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You're probably right about them still figuring him out. Sometimes I wish they had written out their backstories' in a bit more detail beforehand. Rather than working out the kinks as they go. But that's just me. Also maybe, even though they had Ben in mind for the role and knew how good Ben was as an actor beforehand, they really didn't expect people to gravitate towards the character as much as they have. It's possible. I feel like this with all the senior officer/detective characters. We've all come to like all of them and be huge fans of them. But they've always been meant to be secondary characters. So not as much work has gone into building their backstories' as have gone into building the Rookies backstories'. |
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| margie311 | Jul 22 2012, 10:37 PM Post #18 |
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I feel the same way about the backstories. I know they say they've got a rough plan, but sometimes I feel like they're just throwing details in, just in case. In case they get to it, in case someone asks...etc. A well-thought out back story makes all the difference to me. Sometimes the details don't really gel in my head, and I hate that. I feel the same way about the whole senior officer thing too. Especially when you look at Oliver. He could have gone either way, I think. If they'd gotten a different audience, maybe Oliver wouldn't have such a draw and they wouldn't have been compelled to introduce Zoe. I sort of think they always intended to keep Sam a mystery to the audience, but sometimes, I wish he didn't seem like such a mystery to the people in charge *L* I'm fine waiting to hear all the dirt on him, but I just hope they stay consistent with his character, and not just put things in to make the audience squeal. It wouldn't be the first time a show did that and I think it takes away from the whole vibe, to be honest. Edited by margie311, Jul 22 2012, 10:38 PM.
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| McSwarekFan_Brittany | Jul 22 2012, 10:46 PM Post #19 |
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Right, I'm with you a well thought out backstory for a character drama makes all the difference. This isn't Law & Order or CSI where the big focus is the cases. The big complaint people have about the show (from what I've noticed anyway) is that they don't want it to turn into how Grey's has become. I think the best way to avoid this would be for the writers to sit down and go, "Okay what have we written about this character's so far? What have we revealed about what has made them who they are? What have we written about their past?" Then work it all out and write the backstories now. Better late than never. That's not even to say they need to reveal everything they decide right away. It's just I feel like it would make it easier write the show if you knew where the character's have come from because it can give you a better idea as to where you want them to go. You're right about the audience. I think they were expecting the audience to focus on the Rookie's but that didn't happen. The audience ended up loving all the characters. Now it's time to work from that. I think anyway. The main focus of the show should still be the Rookie's because well, that's the show. But also let us know about the other characters because they're a part of the show too. |
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| Cythy | Jul 22 2012, 11:35 PM Post #20 |
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What I find interesting is that they are mentioning Sam's past - when we really don't know that much about most of the rookies besides for Andy. Think of it this way - we know Dov's parents are hippies but we JUST found out that his father is a doctor = totally out of nowhere. I think that the writers realize that Sam has become a main character, even if the focus was supposed to be the rookies and I'm sure they've sat down to work out a full back story for him, now that they know what the fans want. |
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