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| Sam's Past; what do we know for certain (or close to certain)? | |
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| StarryDreamer | Jul 22 2012, 11:41 PM Post #21 |
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I was totally thinking the same thing as you. I was going through each of the characters wondering what we know about each of them's backstory. And quite frankly there's no a lot. Out of all the rookies aside from Andy, I think Dov is the one we know the next most about. Then maybe Traci, Gail, Chris and Nick. Out of the "vets" we probably know the most about Oliver, then Noelle? Followed by Frank, Sam and Jerry? I feel like we know the least about Jerry, but maybe its a toss up between Sam, Jerry and Frank? Edited by StarryDreamer, Jul 22 2012, 11:41 PM.
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| vixenali | Jul 22 2012, 11:53 PM Post #22 |
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I think too, the writers have no idea how long RB is going be on the air and if they'll get picked up for a fall season (which I don't foresee with the success RB has in the summer) or remain a summer series. They probably add little character quirks and stories in here and there in case they get picked up for more seasons and then can have some more storylines to work with. Don't forget, the entertainment industry is a big business, run by executives who dictate (think they know) what audiences want. It's about ratings and money. Many shows are written and have pilots filmed, but are never aired. The show was about rookie cops and ending up focusing on everyone (rookies, TOs, and detectives) because of how the audience embraces it. Shows are not created in a vacuum, but constantly evolve from year to year because of many factors. But yes, I think we know very little about Sam and many of the other characters. We know the most back-story about Andy over the other characters and this season, the writers are expanding beyond Andy. |
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| snafu | Jul 23 2012, 02:00 AM Post #23 |
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Wow! I'm glad I asked because I was forgetting the basics. lol. I love all the discussion even if it's made it more difficult to pinpoint where I want to go with my version of his past. I'm not sure what my feelings are about him being in foster care.... I like the idea that he was exposed to it in an indirect way because that could be interesting to explore. It's a bit like algebra because we know the end result, we know Sam and we know a tiny bit of what made him that way but there's this giant chunk missing. So I'm trying to work backwards: although Sarah was obviously a huge influence and remains important to him, she was dealing with her own stuff right around the age he really needed a role model. And following what I learned in child development (the fact that analysis of a fictional character is the only place where that useless class is helpful, makes me rage, but I digress. lol.) it's unlikely he'd end up the way he is, being pretty well adjusted, independent but caring, without having at least one adult in his life to look up to. That said, I can't see his mother being out of the picture while his dad was in jail. It's possible there was a foster parent he was close to and that's why he doesn't see it as a negative impact on his upbringing. But since we know so little there's a whole slew of possibilities! I am definitely overthinking this. lol.It really is disappointing how little we know about all the characters, not just Sam. But I think with him it's more obvious because of the snippets they dangle in front of us. It's like there's an effort there to make him mysterious. But his lack of an ILY provides an opportunity to explore his past a little more, I just hope they take advantage of that and don't leave us hanging. In my opinion having an issue with the L-word could connect all the other snippets, or at least that's the direction I'm taking.
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| Nathy | Jul 23 2012, 03:48 AM Post #24 |
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According to ABC.com, Luke was into foster care. But it doesn't forbid Sam to have been as well, so it's okay to speculate that he might have been. |
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| McSwarekFan_Brittany | Jul 23 2012, 10:15 AM Post #25 |
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@Cythy I've been thinking, and maybe Dov's dad is one of those holistic doctors?? @Snafu don't worry about over-thinking it. I think we're all taking the Andy approach on this one!! LOL |
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| katydid13 | Jul 23 2012, 10:22 AM Post #26 |
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I've know some regular doctors who were fairly hippish too. I don't see that as contradictory. Especially if his father was in primary care which isn't the best paying specialty. |
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| StarryDreamer | Jul 23 2012, 10:55 AM Post #27 |
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Or maybe Dov's dad was into alternative medicines. There are definitely *a lot* of "hippy" doctors in Toronto. |
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| enits3 | Jul 23 2012, 12:18 PM Post #28 |
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This is something I also have been giving some thoughts, I know many of kids/teens that go into respite homes (not sure if that's what you call them in the USA/Canada?) or foster homes when they've had some traumatic events happened to themselves or a family member. As for Sam's comment about the foster kids - to me it actually would make sense if he was referring to Sarah, since it seems like she's recovered/beat her problems. (Sam would never go in deep cover if he still was worried for his sister - and if he was, we would have heard about it on the show already.) |
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| McSwarekFan_Brittany | Jul 23 2012, 12:37 PM Post #29 |
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If that's the case then it makes me think that Sam's mother is definitely in the picture and that she'd have to be a really strong person to look at her situation and have the where-with-all to say, "I can't do this, I need help. She's not getting better." Which would explain where Sam gets his strength from. I think anyway. ETA: It would also maybe even explain why he pushed Andy to Luke, because, if that's what happened with Sarah. From his mother he would have learned that sometimes you have to do things to help the people you live even if it hurts you to do it. Edited by McSwarekFan_Brittany, Jul 23 2012, 12:41 PM.
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| StarryDreamer | Jul 23 2012, 12:51 PM Post #30 |
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To my knowledge it's just foster care. I knew a kid who was with a foster "mom" and that's what the behavioural counsellor called it. Interestingly, it would be someone like Claire (as a CPS official) who'd have taken someone like Sam from his home (if he was indeed taken). Which would probably explain why Sam immediately resorted to the "ma'am" stuff as soon as he knew she was CPS (more layers to the mystery!). You know what'd be curious-- is if Claire was in fact the person who took Sam from his home. She was in Toronto and married to Tommy at the time when Sam would've been "in the system" (if he was indeed in the system). Edited by StarryDreamer, Jul 23 2012, 12:51 PM.
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| enits3 | Jul 23 2012, 01:01 PM Post #31 |
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What I was referring to when I say respite homes is when a child/teen only lives part-time in foster care, or only just one day a week to give the parents a break. I don't know if that goes under foster care for you, here in my country we call it something else. I don't think Claire worked in CPS when she left Tommy, I've gotten the picture that she didn't, but maybe she was in education? If we think about Tommy's comment to Andy that could make sense... And say if she was in the CPS and the person to take Sam (if we assume he's the one who went into foster care) from his home, I don't know... I think it would be too much of a coincidence, and I think Sam would have recognised her immediately. |
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| snafu | Jul 23 2012, 01:28 PM Post #32 |
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I love this theory. I really liked the idea of Sarah being the one who left but I still wanted to keep their mother in the picture and as a good character. I hate thinking of Sam with a dad in jail and a mom who's not around either. I want to paint her in a good light.
My mom actually suggested that Claire was the CPS official involved with Sam's case and that maybe he would recognize her or something. I thought it was an interesting idea but I'm happy it didn't go there. But I still enjoy the six degrees of separation idea, even if I don't want to explore it in my fic. What you said about the "ma'am" comment is really interesting, I may tie that in a bit even if it's just that Sam's experience with Sarah being in the system made him smarten up and act more mature. All these awesome theories are really sparking my imagination.
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| Cythy | Jul 23 2012, 01:30 PM Post #33 |
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I wasn't saying that there is an issue with Dov's father being a doctor - I was saying that it totally came out of nowhere and I never would have guessed that. I would assume that his father was not into 'alternative medicine' - Dov knew a lot of the terms when he was helping Crystal study. As for Sam and Sarah - I think there is something, like a halfway house, for people who have had mental breakdowns (which Sarah had), but thankfully, I do not know that much about it. |
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| enits3 | Jul 23 2012, 01:56 PM Post #34 |
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I think when a mother sees her child go through something Sarah most likely did, she gets determined to get her daughter the help she needs to get better. Even if that would mean that she would have to admit that she can't give her the help she needs. It's an interesting thought about Sam pushing Andy to Luke, but I don't know if I see how that would help her, unless he thought of himself as a potential hurt/danger to Andy. Maybe he was afraid to emotinally hurt her because he has walls build up that are thicker than hers. |
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| McSwarekFan_Brittany | Jul 23 2012, 02:02 PM Post #35 |
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Not all parents have the strength to be able to do that. It's a sad but true fact. I like to think that Sam's mom was strong enough to be able to admit that she couldn't handle helping her daughter through what happened on her own. As for the Landy thing, I think that Sam just wanted Andy to be happy and he thought that Luke made her happy. So that's why he pushed her in that direction. But it could have also been because he was afraid to get hurt, and to hurt her. |
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| enits3 | Jul 23 2012, 02:07 PM Post #36 |
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That is unfortunately of course true. And I have the same theory about why he pushed Andy to Luke. |
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| vixenali | Jul 23 2012, 03:18 PM Post #37 |
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There are agencies in the US that provide respite care for parents/children with behavioral and mental health issues. It can be short-term, or long-term. It varies from state-to-state though. Foster care is where the child is taken from the home for days, weeks, months, even years due to the parent(s) being unfit to raise their child (though custody can be given back at some point). There are lots of CPS/DCFS workers for Claire to have dealt with Sam/Sarah. And if Sam is 10 years older than Andy, and Andy didn't know her mom worked as a social worker, I can't see that she and Sam crossed paths in the past. It's possible Claire was a social worker, but worked for a different agency, or was in school around the time she walked out on Tommy and Andy (since she was having an affair with a professor--which is a HUGE ethical violation if that's the case!). |
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| snafu | Jul 23 2012, 03:52 PM Post #38 |
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Huh, I never thought of Claire meeting the professor while she was a student. That's interesting and it would make sense based on the timeline. She could have been taking something broad but applicable which is why Andy may not have known she was working for CPS. The fact that she left her husband and daughter is what disgusts me the most, if she were having an affair with a professor that alone is not necessarily against the rules, not to say it's ethical. I mean, it's not encouraged but I know a lot of institutions that don't forbid students and professor relationships. At mine at least, the only rule is that they cannot date if the student is in the professor's class and if that's the case the student would be removed from the class -- it's not even stipulated that they be expelled or that the professor face any consequences. This isn't to say I support it, I just had a really interesting dicussion with one of my professors (who, I feel the need to mention, is a woman.. so it wasn't an inappropriate conversation) about how she knew of many instances where this happened and the school completely ignored it. It really worried me because I expected the rules to be more firm. Whatever the nature of the realtionship with the other man and even with Tommy, I still have a hard time sympathizing with a woman who abandoned her daughter like that. But I'm trying to keep an open mind until I hear her side. As far as Sam and Sarah and that mess... I have a very jumbled web of an outline in my mind. I think I need to decide what their dad went to jail for so I can figure out what the deal was with their mom then hopefully the foster care dilemma will sort itself out. Decisions, decisions... |
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| Cythy | Jul 23 2012, 03:55 PM Post #39 |
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I have to say - regarding Claire, I think she became a social worker as a 'career switch' and I think that it happened after she left. I think that she realized that she wanted to be a part of her daughter's life so badly and couldn't because Tommy was blocking her - being a social worker is a way to try to 'redeem' herself and help other parents settle amicably. I do like the theory that Sam keeps calling her 'ma'am' because he has had experience with social workers |
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| LAwoman | Jul 23 2012, 04:14 PM Post #40 |
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Universities vary, but quite a lot of professor/student relationships happen. It definitely can become an issue if it happens while the student is in that person's class, if word gets out. But even that still happens on the sly. It's also more sensitive for undergrads than older adult graduate students. ETA: I used to be a professor, and I swear half the reason most of my male colleagues went into it is because attractive young women are all over the place at universities.
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I am definitely overthinking this. lol.





I love this theory. I really liked the idea of Sarah being the one who left but I still wanted to keep their mother in the picture and as a good character. I hate thinking of Sam with a dad in jail and a mom who's not around either. I want to paint her in a good light.


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