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Topic Started: Oct 12 2012, 08:22 PM (4,417 Views)
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In an attempt not to hijack the FF stories thread, tell me what you do and/or do not like about a fan fic story.

Personally, I do not like stories that make either Sam/Andy look weak.
The whole point of Andy's character is that she is a strong, tough, independent, capable woman. I do not like to read stories where she cries at he drop of a hat, does stupid, reckless things, etc...

I HATE a groveling, love sick so that 'he cant see 2 feet in front of his face' Sam. Or the ones where he becomes a drunk becuase Andy upset him in some way. Crap, I know I wouldn't want a man like that.

Personally, I am not a fan of super future fiction, like when they are married with 3 kids. Just my personal preference there. (Maybe marriage and kids has killed my romantic viewpoint of it all, IDK). Just not my thing.

I know people who hate first person POV writng, others who hate SAMS POV: / Andy's POV: etc....



So... now that you have examples, what do YOU like/ DISlike in a FF story?
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You pretty much nailed all of my dislikes.

And I am in no way calling out any specific authors or stories. People should write what they want to write, because everyone will find an audience.

But these are my personal peeves.

I really am not fond of stories where Andy needs saving. I also get really sick of seeing her portrayed as this emotionally-retarded child. I can't imagine that a 40 year old man would be interested in being a lifetime, fulltime babysitter for someone like that. I just can't. Sure, some emotional issues. But sometimes people take it over the top.

I'm not super crazy about stories where Andy gets knocked up after they've been together for one night or one month or anything like that. There are a ton of them, and while people might like it, it's just not my thing. This isn't Andy's first date *L* I think she's aware that there is birth control available.

I really think that there are a lot of opportunities for drama with these characters and their jobs and families and people should exploit that.

I've attempted some present tense one-shots, but in general, they aren't my favorite. I think the style holds a certain drama, but it's easy to OD on them, and sooner or later, they all sort of start to sound the same to me.


As for my likes:

- I will read a story that has an original plotline before I read anything else. I want something I've never seen before, something I'd never have imagined for these characters... Basically, I want to see the author take a risk.

- I love seeing stories about other characters. I dont think enough has been written about Shaw, Chris, Dov especially.

- I love original characters. I think there's a lot to be done with secondary characters on the show, but the writers are bringing in new characters every season. FF authors shouldn't be afraid to do the same. I find original characters a lot easier because theres no characterization standard to hold them to.
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I agree with a lot of that. I'm not a big fan of first person POV, but if the rest of the story is well-written, I can handle it. Although if it's in the first person and then jumps from different POV's, I can't read them because I get too confused.

I think my fave fics are the ones that keep Sam & Andy like the strong stubborn people they both are - not weak, not crying at the drop of a hat.
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I tend to dislike most of the same things as the two of you. I also just skip the ones that get into self harm. I just don't want to see Andy that way at all, so I don't even go there. Even if someone may have some insight or write really well, I still wouldn't enjoy it, so I just skip those.
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I agree with a lot of what's been said, in general I'm a picky ff reader. But that has nothing do with RB content in particular and more to do with some fandoms lacking in basic grammar and story telling.

In terms of content though... more than anything I loathe fics that make Luke seem evil/ abusive (or manipulative but that's more because he's never struck me as smart enough to be as manipulative as he is made out to be in some fics). He cheated, he made a bad decision, but anyone who watched the show would see that he's not "THE bad guy". I mean... I had issues with him for a while for sure, but he's not a bad person and I don't believe he's someone who would abuse Andy (and she wouldn't let him).

I'm also not a fan of the one night stand or early relationship pregnancy fics. I do like a well written future fic but I like to see the progression. I've been saying for a while that I'd love love love to see a Sam/Andy pregnancy scare (but not an actual pregnancy/baby situation) once they've been back together for a bit. Because as canon, I think how they would deal with it would be a great demonstration of how they've grown as individuals and as a couple. But as far as fanfic, it seems it's always a jump right into pregnancy and babies and happy ever after and I just don't buy that both those characters would be so... calm/ready/okay/happy. Basically the lack of freaking out is very OOC for me so I tend to stay away.

I'm sure there is more... but the Luke thing really grinds my gears.

ETA crying; YES! I cannot take fics seriously if they have Sam crying about stupid stuff, the only time I buy it is when it's really really well written and it's a valid situation, and even then I tend to make faces while I read it. lol.
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@snafu - totally 100% agree about the Luke thing. I think he's a really interesting character, and people tend to overlook that in their hurry to rush to the Andy/Sam stuff. If anything they should just respect him because his mistake helped free up Andy to get together with Sam *L*
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@snafu - I also dislike the ' we've been together 2 months" I t got you pregnant on the first try type of stories. Unrealistic, OOC and just... where's the romance? I'd rather see them struggle and fight to be together for 10 chapters rather than an ILU after 2 chapter, KWIM?
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Yes! @ Margie!

Another one of m peeves is when I see a really great idea - a totally interesting and authentic story-line, - and then it is just destroyed within the first chapter or two. That makes me so, so sad.
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Now that I've been reading awhile, there's not a whole lot that I don't like as far as story lines.

It's just that don't like when a character that we know and love is turned into something that we don't recognize. Or when facts from the show are replaced. I really like AU stories, but they have to be clearly indicated that they are. I don't like reading a couple chapters into a story and bam, a character never existed or a new one is introduced.

For example, I like stories about Sarah Swarek, but only because we know absolutely nothing about her, so everything is open to interpretation.

I don't care for Andy being pregnant (then again, I've read a few stories where it was done really well) and I don't care for Sam being too lovey-dovey. When he overly expresses his feelings to Andy it makes me cringe. Of course I would love to see it happen on the show...but its just not going to. The most groveling we will ever get from him was his, make-dinner-take-out-garbage speech.

Also, just a personal thing, I don't care for M rated stories or ones that constantly have the characters use curse words. One every now and then that adds to the story is fine, but every other sentence using the f word? I don't see the characters doing that on the show so it's hard for me to read that.

That all being said, I am extremely impressed with some of the writing that is being done.

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What I dislike:

- Pregnancy stories as a whole. I don't mind the scare of pregnancy and I think I remember one by a member here about their miscarriage that was pretty well-written. But normally, I'm not jumping up and down to read pregnancy stuff. Mostly its because I think people write Andy and Sam as unrealistic parents.

- Bad dialogue. If it doesn't sound like Sam and Andy, I can't make it through. Sometimes people write weird things for Sam especially "C'mere baby". JUST CAN'T.

- I feel like this is stupid/obvious but Sam and Andy with other characters as love interests (like.. without sam and andy as the focal point of the story). I just don't read them. LOL

- If they're well-done, I don't mind stories about feelings and whatever. But I think some stories need more dialogue than they have. To me, the dialogue is so important. It shows that you know the characters' voice.

- Stories that build up (the relationship itself) for a very, very, very long time. To the point where you're like "Okay by now they would've slept together in public had this been really life and there had been this much teasing". LOL. Just a pet peeve.


What I like

- AU. Especially the re-writing of a S1 or S2 scenario into a whole new direction. Or when you take the characters (and stay true to them) and write them in a completely different situation.

- Stories that go back in S1 or S2... sometimes even better than the future stories.

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@photogfan - I agree about the curse words in particular.

I actually like to have Sam and Andy swear a little, just because some of the situations they find themselves in, I think *I* would be dropping an f-bomb. But in every day conversation, I just don't really see it with them. Also, it tends to detract from the plot IMO.
Edited by margie311, Oct 12 2012, 09:12 PM.
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Oct 12 2012, 08:55 PM
Yes! @ Margie!

Another one of m peeves is when I see a really great idea - a totally interesting and authentic story-line, - and then it is just destroyed within the first chapter or two. That makes me so, so sad.
Totally agree with that one. Sometimes I look so forward to what's to come and then it's just DONE. LOL.
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Also *cough* I like M-rated ones... especially the LJ collections ;) *cough*

That's all I need to share. LOL.
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Oct 12 2012, 09:14 PM
Also *cough* I like M-rated ones... especially the LJ collections ;) *cough*

That's all I need to share. LOL.
Hey, to each their own! I'm just a little on the conservative side :)

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Oct 12 2012, 09:11 PM
@photogfan - I agree about the curse words in particular.

I actually like to have Sam and Andy swear a little, just because some of the situations they find themselves in, I think *I* would be dropping an f-bomb. But in every day conversation, I just don't really see it with them. Also, it tends to detract from the plot IMO.
Yes, when the situation would benefit from it, but in their every day speech, no.

Also, has Sam ever really called Andy "sweetheart" as an endearing term in the show? Just wondering.
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@photogfan - I agree about the curse words in particular.

I actually like to have Sam and Andy swear a little, just because some of the situations they find themselves in, I think *I* would be dropping an f-bomb. But in every day conversation, I just don't really see it with them. Also, it tends to detract from the plot IMO.
Yes, when the situation would benefit from it, but in their every day speech, no.

Also, has Sam ever really called Andy "sweetheart" as an endearing term in the show? Just wondering.
Mostly it was sarcasm in the show.

I did enjoy it as a term of endearment the first time I heard it (in fanfic). But I still prefer it as sarcasm *L*
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Oct 12 2012, 09:37 PM
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@photogfan - I agree about the curse words in particular.

I actually like to have Sam and Andy swear a little, just because some of the situations they find themselves in, I think *I* would be dropping an f-bomb. But in every day conversation, I just don't really see it with them. Also, it tends to detract from the plot IMO.
Yes, when the situation would benefit from it, but in their every day speech, no.

Also, has Sam ever really called Andy "sweetheart" as an endearing term in the show? Just wondering.
Mostly it was sarcasm in the show.

I did enjoy it as a term of endearment the first time I heard it. But I still prefer it as sarcasm *L*
Ok I only remember it when he said it sarcastically. I wish he would actually call her something as a term of endearment so we can see what it sounds like. I can't picture him calling her anything sweetly.
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Also *cough* I like M-rated ones... especially the LJ collections ;) *cough*

That's all I need to share. LOL.
THIS!! And I'm not afraid to admit it.

But since you brought it up.... the m-rated world invites a butt load more pet peeves IMO. Which is why I'm such a fan of LJ writers. Not that there aren't great M writers on ff.net, there's just significantly less. And the thing with m-rated ff... when it's good, it's really worth reading but when it's bad, it's worth gouging your eyeballs out. :p
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I'm not a fan of generic endearments, period. But honey and sweetheart I can live with. (sweetie I actually use myself, but only with other girls, not with boyfriends) Babe I hate.
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ugh, I HATE babe and baby. like...to the point of violent hand wringing.

But I actually think his use of her name is sort of an endearment. I mean, swapping McNally and Andy depending on the situation. We all NOTICE when he calls her Andy. Chances are, she noticed the first time he did it too.
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