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Oct 12 2012, 09:42 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 09:14 PM
Also *cough* I like M-rated ones... especially the LJ collections ;) *cough*

That's all I need to share. LOL.
THIS!! And I'm not afraid to admit it.

But since you brought it up.... the m-rated world invites a butt load more pet peeves IMO. Which is why I'm such a fan of LJ writers. Not that there aren't great M writers on ff.net, there's just significantly less. And the thing with m-rated ff... when it's good, it's really worth reading but when it's bad, it's worth gouging your eyeballs out. :p
This is slightly off topic, but on the subject of encouraging good/thoughtful M fics, I came across this yesterday, and of course my first thought was how it might help write steamy fic and what type(s) I would see as primary for Sam and Andy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/petra-zebroff/sexual-arousal-types-what-is-yours_b_1945808.html
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Just as there are different types of learning (visual, auditory, kinetic), there are different types of sexual arousal. The four sexual arousal types I have identified are:

-The Sensual Type is body-oriented and relies on the senses (touch, smell, taste) to fuel arousal. They get hot by the sensation of their skin being stroked, smelling a delicious scent or tasting something erotic.

- The Cognitive Type is head-oriented, relying on thoughts and imagination to drive sexual feelings. This type is fueled erotically by thinking about/seeing certain sexual acts. Fantasy and porn are important tools used by the cognitive type to imagine different acts in their erotic map.

-The Intimacy Type's primary motivation is to "connect" with their partner. They thrive when they share with him/her, or when they feel that he/she "gets" them.

-The Attractor Type gets his/her arousal from arousing their partner. Their main source of arousal is when their partner finds them sexy and appreciates them. Being 'seen' is important to this type.

While each person will be a complex mix of all of the types, we can get valuable information about our own main erotic map to control our arousal and make sex sizzle.


I'm thinking:
Luke = Attractor Type
Andy = Intimacy Type
Sam = Sensual & some Cognitive (despite his don't over think it mantra) and probably also more sensitive to a lack of Attractor behavior than he cares to admit
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Oct 12 2012, 10:22 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 09:42 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 09:14 PM
Also *cough* I like M-rated ones... especially the LJ collections ;) *cough*

That's all I need to share. LOL.
THIS!! And I'm not afraid to admit it.

But since you brought it up.... the m-rated world invites a butt load more pet peeves IMO. Which is why I'm such a fan of LJ writers. Not that there aren't great M writers on ff.net, there's just significantly less. And the thing with m-rated ff... when it's good, it's really worth reading but when it's bad, it's worth gouging your eyeballs out. :p
This is slightly off topic, but on the subject of encouraging good/thoughtful M fics, I came across this yesterday, and of course my first thought was how it might help write steamy fic and what type(s) I would see as primary for Sam and Andy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/petra-zebroff/sexual-arousal-types-what-is-yours_b_1945808.html
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Just as there are different types of learning (visual, auditory, kinetic), there are different types of sexual arousal. The four sexual arousal types I have identified are:

-The Sensual Type is body-oriented and relies on the senses (touch, smell, taste) to fuel arousal. They get hot by the sensation of their skin being stroked, smelling a delicious scent or tasting something erotic.

- The Cognitive Type is head-oriented, relying on thoughts and imagination to drive sexual feelings. This type is fueled erotically by thinking about/seeing certain sexual acts. Fantasy and porn are important tools used by the cognitive type to imagine different acts in their erotic map.

-The Intimacy Type's primary motivation is to "connect" with their partner. They thrive when they share with him/her, or when they feel that he/she "gets" them.

-The Attractor Type gets his/her arousal from arousing their partner. Their main source of arousal is when their partner finds them sexy and appreciates them. Being 'seen' is important to this type.

While each person will be a complex mix of all of the types, we can get valuable information about our own main erotic map to control our arousal and make sex sizzle.


I'm thinking:
Luke = Attractor Type
Andy = Intimacy Type
Sam = Sensual & some Cognitive (despite his don't over think it mantra) and probably also more sensitive to a lack of Attractor behavior than he cares to admit
Hmmmm....thanks for that. I'm going to have to take that into consideration for further chapters :)
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Oct 12 2012, 10:17 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 10:13 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 10:01 PM
About the whole "pretending to know Toronto" thing.

As someone who lives 18 hours away from Ontario, I spend a ridiculous (read: Unbelievably stupid) amount of time researching street names, stores, etc to make my stories as accurate as possible, but sometimes you just can't do it. I can ask three separate people to give me a detail about the city and get three different answers. At some point, you need to just stop editing, stop obsessing and post. I really dont think it ruins the story that much if you miss the location by one street or don't know exactly what they sell at Canada Tire.

Those details are important, but they shouldn't make or break a story IMO.
Uh yeah, it's Canadian Tire but I'm impressed you know that. I don't care about that level of accuracy, hell make up street names and locations, just as long as writers remember that you don't fly to St. Catherines from Toronto EVER and Ontario summers, though short, are hot as hell.
How hot exactly? It's hard for me to envision going from snow to the kind of weather that we get here in N. Ca in the Summers. I, for some reason, don't believe its possible. Lol.
Oh it's pretty hot. The humidity is the worst. Sometimes it can feel like 40 degrees celsius on the humidex. Usually it's around 27-30 degrees celsius and with the humidex it feels like 30-35. (That's like... Southern Ontario. Not representative of all of Canada!)
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It's not the heat, it's the humidity. Lol. Put it this way, I work at an agency that employs many immigrants and even those who have moved here from Africa recently, complain about the heat. Also, a huge majority of homes, businesses and even schools (which are closed in the summer of course) have air conditioners. I personally looooove the heat, but I have to admit we have an airconditioner at the cottage.

I'm talking about S. Ontario here.

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*whispers* tell us in Fahrenheit *LOL*
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*whispers back* I can't. When are you guys going to adopt the metric system? I know you add 27 and divide or something.



°F to °C Deduct 32, then multiply by 5, then divide by 9
°C to °F Multiply by 9, then divide by 5, then add 32


Close.
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margie311
Oct 12 2012, 10:32 PM
*whispers* tell us in Fahrenheit *LOL*
Sometimes it can feel like 40 degrees celsius on the humidex. Usually it's around 27-30 degrees celsius and with the humidex it feels like 30-35

Translation:

Sometimes it can feel like 104 F on the humidex. Usually its around 80-86F and with the humidex that can feel like 86-95F
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Oct 12 2012, 10:37 PM
*whispers back* I can't. When are you guys going to adopt the metric system? I know you add 27 and divide or something.
Ha! I'm actually pretty good with some. I know 37C and 22C, but you start getting lower than that, and I tend to get a little lost. and yes. It's ridiculous. We should all use the same system IMO.

for your records:
°C x 9/5 + 32 = °F
(°F - 32) x 5/9 = °C
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margie311
Oct 12 2012, 10:32 PM
*whispers* tell us in Fahrenheit *LOL*
lol 40= 100F

Technically you could fly from Toronto to Hamilton, but no one would do it unless you were the premier or something. Lol

The drive is less than 2 hours o a good day, definitely driveable to St. Catherine's.

I don't mind details being wrong about street names (heck I barely know the streets and I live here). It's details like drinking age that make me grit my teeth because it's easily searchable online.
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@Rooster - in my head, I'm high-fiving you for figuring that out.
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Oct 12 2012, 10:22 PM
snafu
Oct 12 2012, 09:42 PM
SAFan23
Oct 12 2012, 09:14 PM
Also *cough* I like M-rated ones... especially the LJ collections ;) *cough*

That's all I need to share. LOL.
THIS!! And I'm not afraid to admit it.

But since you brought it up.... the m-rated world invites a butt load more pet peeves IMO. Which is why I'm such a fan of LJ writers. Not that there aren't great M writers on ff.net, there's just significantly less. And the thing with m-rated ff... when it's good, it's really worth reading but when it's bad, it's worth gouging your eyeballs out. :p
This is slightly off topic, but on the subject of encouraging good/thoughtful M fics, I came across this yesterday, and of course my first thought was how it might help write steamy fic and what type(s) I would see as primary for Sam and Andy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/petra-zebroff/sexual-arousal-types-what-is-yours_b_1945808.html
Excerpt:
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Just as there are different types of learning (visual, auditory, kinetic), there are different types of sexual arousal. The four sexual arousal types I have identified are:

-The Sensual Type is body-oriented and relies on the senses (touch, smell, taste) to fuel arousal. They get hot by the sensation of their skin being stroked, smelling a delicious scent or tasting something erotic.

- The Cognitive Type is head-oriented, relying on thoughts and imagination to drive sexual feelings. This type is fueled erotically by thinking about/seeing certain sexual acts. Fantasy and porn are important tools used by the cognitive type to imagine different acts in their erotic map.

-The Intimacy Type's primary motivation is to "connect" with their partner. They thrive when they share with him/her, or when they feel that he/she "gets" them.

-The Attractor Type gets his/her arousal from arousing their partner. Their main source of arousal is when their partner finds them sexy and appreciates them. Being 'seen' is important to this type.

While each person will be a complex mix of all of the types, we can get valuable information about our own main erotic map to control our arousal and make sex sizzle.


I'm thinking:
Luke = Attractor Type
Andy = Intimacy Type
Sam = Sensual & some Cognitive (despite his don't over think it mantra) and probably also more sensitive to a lack of Attractor behavior than he cares to admit
You've done your research! :lol:

Are we going to see any more out of you anytime soon?? B)
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Actually, I'm slowing entertaining the idea of writing the food fight idea and/or brain damaged Sam with a female OC who used to be Sarah's friend but went into the PD around the same time as Sam...before going off to study the brain and try to stop criminal behavior instead of lock them up after the fact. Many ideas, but nothing on a page yet. Always takes me the longest just to start. ;)
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Oct 12 2012, 10:22 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 09:42 PM
SAFan23
Oct 12 2012, 09:14 PM
Also *cough* I like M-rated ones... especially the LJ collections ;) *cough*

That's all I need to share. LOL.
THIS!! And I'm not afraid to admit it.

But since you brought it up.... the m-rated world invites a butt load more pet peeves IMO. Which is why I'm such a fan of LJ writers. Not that there aren't great M writers on ff.net, there's just significantly less. And the thing with m-rated ff... when it's good, it's really worth reading but when it's bad, it's worth gouging your eyeballs out. :p
This is slightly off topic, but on the subject of encouraging good/thoughtful M fics, I came across this yesterday, and of course my first thought was how it might help write steamy fic and what type(s) I would see as primary for Sam and Andy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/petra-zebroff/sexual-arousal-types-what-is-yours_b_1945808.html
Excerpt:
Quote:
 
Just as there are different types of learning (visual, auditory, kinetic), there are different types of sexual arousal. The four sexual arousal types I have identified are:

-The Sensual Type is body-oriented and relies on the senses (touch, smell, taste) to fuel arousal. They get hot by the sensation of their skin being stroked, smelling a delicious scent or tasting something erotic.

- The Cognitive Type is head-oriented, relying on thoughts and imagination to drive sexual feelings. This type is fueled erotically by thinking about/seeing certain sexual acts. Fantasy and porn are important tools used by the cognitive type to imagine different acts in their erotic map.

-The Intimacy Type's primary motivation is to "connect" with their partner. They thrive when they share with him/her, or when they feel that he/she "gets" them.

-The Attractor Type gets his/her arousal from arousing their partner. Their main source of arousal is when their partner finds them sexy and appreciates them. Being 'seen' is important to this type.

While each person will be a complex mix of all of the types, we can get valuable information about our own main erotic map to control our arousal and make sex sizzle.


I'm thinking:
Luke = Attractor Type
Andy = Intimacy Type
Sam = Sensual & some Cognitive (despite his don't over think it mantra) and probably also more sensitive to a lack of Attractor behavior than he cares to admit
I can see this, though I think Andy would be an Attactor type as well as Intimacy type.
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Oct 12 2012, 10:51 PM
Actually, I'm slowing entertaining the idea of writing the food fight idea and/or brain damaged Sam with a female OC who used to be Sarah's friend but went into the PD around the same time as Sam...before going off to study the brain and try to stop criminal behavior instead of lock them up after the fact. Many ideas, but nothing on a page yet. Always takes me the longest just to start. ;)
Let me know if you do decide to do the food fight thing. I've had this one tiny scene nagging my brain for FOREVER, but I haven't brought myself to write it. I'll share it with you, if you get around to it. :hug:
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Wow, new topic & three pages in three hours or less? :p

I actually read the previous pages so not duplicating any of the valid points already raised.

Even before Season 3 aired, I've never been crazy about the fanfics that kill off a major character, including the 'future' ones that have either Sam or Andy raising children after the death of either.

A long time ago, x.imagine.x wrote a story called (appropriately) "Death" about Oliver's demise. It was a great story, but I still found it painful to read.

& despite Sam's heartfelt speech at the end of 3.13, still not crazy about the fics that have Sam go on & on with emotional speeches: most guys aren't like that (as much as we may wish they were sometimes) & it always seems particularly un-Samlike to me...

I'm Canadian, but for reasons I won't bore you with (but include missing the math gene) I still 'think' in Farenheit & have to convert Celsius back to Farenheit. Maybe I'm trying to forget how hot it is on some summer days, but we actually have a very short summer here!
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Oct 12 2012, 11:09 PM
Wow, new topic & three pages in three hours or less? :p

I actually read the previous pages so not duplicating any of the valid points already raised.

Even before Season 3 aired, I've never been crazy about the fanfics that kill off a major character, including the 'future' ones that have either Sam or Andy raising children after the death of either.

A long time ago, x.imagine.x wrote a story called (appropriately) "Death" about Oliver's demise. It was a great story, but I still found it painful to read.

& despite Sam's heartfelt speech at the end of 3.13, still not crazy about the fics that have Sam go on & on with emotional speeches: most guys aren't like that (as much as we may wish they were sometimes) & it always seems particularly un-Samlike to me...

I'm Canadian, but for reasons I won't bore you with (but include missing the math gene) I still 'think' in Farenheit & have to convert Celsius back to Farenheit. Maybe I'm trying to forget how hot it is on some summer days, but we actually have a very short summer here!
I'm missing the math gene too, so that celsius to Fahrenheit conversion was like braille to me (only I understood it less) but oddly enough I still cling to feet over metres and inches over centimetres.
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Oct 12 2012, 10:01 PM
About the whole "pretending to know Toronto" thing.

As someone who lives 18 hours away from Ontario, I spend a ridiculous (read: Unbelievably stupid) amount of time researching street names, stores, etc to make my stories as accurate as possible, but sometimes you just can't do it. I can ask three separate people to give me a detail about the city and get three different answers. At some point, you need to just stop editing, stop obsessing and post. I really dont think it ruins the story that much if you miss the location by one street or don't know exactly what they sell at Canada Tire.

Those details are important, but they shouldn't make or break a story IMO.
Uh yeah, it's Canadian Tire but I'm impressed you know that. I don't care about that level of accuracy, hell make up street names and locations, just as long as writers remember that you don't fly to St. Catherines from Toronto EVER and Ontario summers, though short, are hot as hell.
How hot exactly? It's hard for me to envision going from snow to the kind of weather that we get here in N. Ca in the Summers. I, for some reason, don't believe its possible. Lol.
Oh it's pretty hot. The humidity is the worst. Sometimes it can feel like 40 degrees celsius on the humidex. Usually it's around 27-30 degrees celsius and with the humidex it feels like 30-35. (That's like... Southern Ontario. Not representative of all of Canada!)
Ok, that's as hot as our summers here. But our winters don't get below 35 F and it never snows in my city (we always "go to the snow" every year about 1-2 hours drive away!)
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The discussion about heat & humidity is making me giggle, 'cause FROST is forecast for downtown TO tonight, even by the lake (not unheard of, but kinda early)

Crossing over to the 'majorly obsessed' thread, when the meteorologist mentioned "frost", I immediately thought of the dialogue between Gail & other characters about "Frosty" in enit3's "Diving Deep" - one of the stories I'm seriously in love with & doesn't belong on this (dislikes) thread! :p
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Man, do I live in the wrong time zone or what!?

So many interesting opinions to read and I agree with so many of you. :) What first came to mind when I saw the topic of this thread was;

- Luke as an abuser.
- Andy as a self harmer.
- Sarah Swarek (I love this character without meeting her and I'm so picky when it comes to her that it's not even funny.)
- First pov. (If it's well written I'm fine, if not, I read it with a frown on my face )
- Sam crying. Absolutely loathe it. Same goes for Andy falling to pieces while on the job. I'm okay with her crying, but NOT for for every bad hand she's given.
- Baby fics/one night stands
- Poor grammar. ( I feel like an ass for this since I'm clearly not an expert in English grammar, I can ignore some mistakes, but when the sentences doesn't make sense because of the grammar I'm out.)

And whoever said that they peak at the reviews before they read the actual fic itself (can't remember who it was), I'm the same.
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I've gotta say, the lovely thing about coming on here after a spending some quality time with some friends is that there are normally a lot of new posts, but a new thread that's three pages long = awesomeness. This is a long post because I quoted a bunch of you (and yes, I cut the posts to pinpoint the point that I want to comment on) instead of going back and quoting (and this way you won't see like ten different posts from me).

Before I start though, the one thing that I absolutely HATE is the pregnancy stories where Andy knows she's pregnant within a few hours. I understand messing up the pregnancy timeline - 9 months...40 weeks (although I was told by someone that once I have a kid I'll probably never mess up the timeline again in a fic) but really it is a matter of typing into google "when is the earliest a woman would know she is pregnant"

As for the Fahrenheit/Celsius issue - what bugs me about it is that people just don't state what they're using at the beginning of the story. 9 times out of 10 I can figure it out but I try to use Celsius - and really, if you write it, anyone can go onto google or bing and type in "___ degrees in Celsius is what in Fahrenheit" or vice versa and it will bring you right to a calculator.


snafu
Oct 12 2012, 08:43 PM
I agree with a lot of what's been said, in general I'm a picky ff reader. But that has nothing do with RB content in particular and more to do with some fandoms lacking in basic grammar and story telling.

In terms of content though... more than anything I loathe fics that make Luke seem evil/ abusive (or manipulative but that's more because he's never struck me as smart enough to be as manipulative as he is made out to be in some fics). He cheated, he made a bad decision, but anyone who watched the show would see that he's not "THE bad guy". I mean... I had issues with him for a while for sure, but he's not a bad person and I don't believe he's someone who would abuse Andy (and she wouldn't let him).

I'm sure there is more... but the Luke thing really grinds my gears.

YES! After season one there were a TON of those - so I think I started off every Sam/Andy story with something along the lines of "Luke and Andy broke up..." because I feel that a lot of authors made him out to be bad so they could break up. I still love Luke, what he did was wrong and I didn't want him with Andy but that doesn't mean I didn't fall in love with his character.

As for the grammar, I make mistakes as well (and normally catch them a few months later) but a couple of mistakes vs. every other sentence having a mistake is what really gets to me. It's times like that that used to cause me to sign out and anonymously review "great story but your grammar has a lot of issues, you might want to think about a beta reader" - now that there are so many stories, I normally just stop reading them

SAFan23
Oct 12 2012, 09:10 PM
What I dislike:

- Pregnancy stories as a whole. I don't mind the scare of pregnancy and I think I remember one by a member here about their miscarriage that was pretty well-written. But normally, I'm not jumping up and down to read pregnancy stuff. Mostly its because I think people write Andy and Sam as unrealistic parents.

There was one? Really? I know that I wrote one but didn't post it because I was honestly freaked out that people would attack me for it.

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Oct 12 2012, 09:37 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 09:11 PM
@photogfan - I agree about the curse words in particular.

I actually like to have Sam and Andy swear a little, just because some of the situations they find themselves in, I think *I* would be dropping an f-bomb. But in every day conversation, I just don't really see it with them. Also, it tends to detract from the plot IMO.
Yes, when the situation would benefit from it, but in their every day speech, no.

Also, has Sam ever really called Andy "sweetheart" as an endearing term in the show? Just wondering.
Mostly it was sarcasm in the show.

I did enjoy it as a term of endearment the first time I heard it (in fanfic). But I still prefer it as sarcasm *L*

Darn, does that mean I should go back for the story I'm working on and take out the "sweetheart"?

StarryDreamer
Oct 12 2012, 09:46 PM
I'm okay with the Andy crying stories, only because we've seen her cry over Sam on two specific instances that I can think of.

But would Andy cry while on the job? Doubtful. So I could see how that could bug.

Personally I hate poorly written stories. I can usually tell within the first paragraph if I'm going to enjoy reading a story. It also drives me insane when I see inaccuracies about Canada and/or Toronto. It shouldn't, because clearly not everyone lives here or knows what life is like, but I feel like the author should at least try to seek out factual details about Canada/Toronto rather than replacing it with what they know.

Andy crying on the job - I could actually see it. She has been close to tears a few times. In 1.12, Frank talks about how the cop makes the uniform. Andy brings her emotions out and I think it is a good thing.

As for inaccuracies about Canada/Toronto - it's hard if you're not a local. Obviously I wouldn't talk about a Florida road trip because I think that is ridiculous but street names are sometimes tough.


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Oct 12 2012, 09:50 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 09:47 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 09:36 PM
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Oct 12 2012, 09:11 PM
@photogfan - I agree about the curse words in particular.

I actually like to have Sam and Andy swear a little, just because some of the situations they find themselves in, I think *I* would be dropping an f-bomb. But in every day conversation, I just don't really see it with them. Also, it tends to detract from the plot IMO.
Yes, when the situation would benefit from it, but in their every day speech, no.

Also, has Sam ever really called Andy "sweetheart" as an endearing term in the show? Just wondering.
to my knowledge it was only when he said it facetiously in ep. 2

But I :wub: it; it's definitely my preferred term of endearment from Sam to Andy because I seriously cannot see him calling her babe... :puke:

Which reminds me that when that is used in fics it bothers me quite a bit, mainly anything OOC bugs me because I spend so much time watching RB and knowing the characters so when they aren't themselves it feels wrong. :dunno: Does that make sense?

...Wow this is a really dangerous thread, it probably seems like I'm really picky and mean. :haha:
If you are, then we all are *L*

But really, everyone should write what they want. The only way to build and improve upon a skill is to practice.

SO TRUE!!!

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Why do people even want to follow a show when they seem to hate the characters?

THIS!! YES!!! It does feel like that sometimes doesn't it? Actually, I tend to avoid reading reviews on ff.net because I find the same problem there... that people are very nitpicky about random opinion-based stuff. Like "I didn't like Sam" or "Andy is annoying"... okay... back it up with something and if you can't do that a) why are you reading the fic and b) why are you bothering to leave a half- :censored: review?

I pretty much only read reviews for my stories (especially the anonymous ones that I can now decide not to let through) and some of them are really hilarious and I wish they would leave names so I could respond with "then why do you bother to watch?"
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