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Review Penalty Box; share the most epic troll/soapbox comments you've received
Topic Started: Dec 17 2012, 09:09 PM (3,804 Views)
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I thought I'd start this as something a little more specific than the open-ended thread about reviews that Mara started a while back.

Since it's come up in passing in a few different threads that the RB fandom has gotten more rude and vicious since some were disgruntled by various things in season 3, I figured those of us writing fics could take some air out of the trolls or just plan childish reviewers who have been using anonymous reviews to weirdly trash stories and/or vent about canon characterization. (If you want to include older examples, feel free. It just seems like it's only been happening frequently in the last few months)


I'll start with a couple from the only story I've written since season 3. (I do want to say that I got a ton of great reviews on this story, and I'm not upset in the least. That's not what prompted this, just the feeling like there's a lot of this going around, so why not poke a little fun those who are so negative and/or touchy about what happened to certain characters.)

Damaged, Chapter 12 by Guest
This was the only story out there THIS SEASON where I had hope Sam wouldn't be written as completely to blame for everything, when lo and behold, he's not only to blame for everything THIS season AND in his past, you have him take the blame for being tortured too! What a heartfelt, 4word defense Kate put up on his behalf, bookended by more Sam blame. Wow, I don't think even Andy, Queen of passing the buck, would try that. I suppose he's to blame for what Kate did to him too and that will be in next chapter? I mean, you said it was HIS fault his mother and sister had so much trouble when he was young. He tried too hard and made them feel bad for themselves. Shame on you Sam. I suppose, he'll take the blame for whatever convoluted past you've got planned too? (he'd better, because if he doesn't blame himself, someone else will. Andy would be first in line but as she's not around, Oliver? Kate? Anyone? Step right up.) He might as well eat a bullet, he's such a danger to others.

Congrats, you've chased me from fanfic 4EVA. This is deplorable.

Damaged, Chapter 15 by Guest
The brain stuff was both kinda interesting and kinda boring if that makes sense; I've always heard there's still a lot unknown. Sam ought to just hook up with Kate though, he obviously wants to based on the previous chapter and clearly sex is the only thing he cares about in a relationship. Yeah, Andy screwed up some, but at least she tried and made an effort which is more than he did. Even if he was brain damaged in season 3, he did absolutely nothing to move their relationship forward in season 1 and 2, it was all on her; he had opportunites but didn't care enough and never tried to make it work.

Damaged, Chapter 16 by Guest
Well, I'm sure Andy would have some complaints about him and his behaviour too and not all can be attributed to injury. If I was her I'm not sure I would take him back, she'd wish him well recovery though; while she has faults, vindictiveness isn't one of them. Regarding Jerry's death she not only had to try and be there for him, but Traci as well and that isn't an easy thing, trying to provide two different levels of support to two different people.

I don't like that he shares more about how he is feeling and details of their relationship with his ex-girlfriend- I 'm sure he'd love it if Andy shared all his faults and mistakes with Luke or other previous boyfriends. I remain unconvinced that he ever loved Andy, he seems to be putting a lot more effort into his relationship with Kate.

Damaged, Chapter 21 by Guest
I'm loving this story. All Sam. All the time. No McNally to beat him down. Feel free to take your time and a few more chapters of Sam's story before she comes back and makes him bend over for her again.
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@LaWoman nice idea Hall of Shame! haha.

Troll reviews make me think two things.

1) I just don't understand people trashing someone's viewpoint or story. If you don't like a story, stop reading it.

2) It showcases how varied what different people take away from watching the same show, sometimes It seems like the majority of us watch one show. These trolls honestly feel the things they are saying that to most of the fanbase seem like a big misconstruing of what actually happened in the show/in these stories.
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Hhmmm ... :uhh:
I don't understand those people ... if I don't like a story, I just stop reading it.
RIGHT ?????
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Hmmm...I have to look through my emails because I think I have a few entertaining ones but the one I found to be the most entertaining was an anonymous review right after I switched my pen name asking if I even bothered to watch the show or if I just wrote based on reading others. (Totally had me on the floor because after writing 100+ RB stories and a mod here - you think I haven't watched every episode multiple times?)
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LMAO! That's really hilarious. Of all reactions you might get, I would never expect that one. :eyeroll:
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I think I'm still adjusting to the fact that people with read even if they don't like a story just to give bad reviews and be hurtful.

This was a good one from When A Swarek Dated A Callaghan:

"I read your comments and if you write a controversial storyline, you should expect varying opinions. I personally would keep reading because I find it amusing how you keep heroizing Luke and I'm curious to see how pathetic you can make Andy. I am not a member of TWC. I've heard it's not a very welcoming place to people with any differing opinions which your comments seem to validate."
Edited by angelflower28, Dec 18 2012, 12:05 AM.
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@LAwoman, I saw some of those reviews on your story and couldn't help but shake my head. There's no reason for people to be so rude.

@Cythy That's crazy & funny!

I feel like S3 really polarized some people and they're taking it out on fanfic writers. And what I can't understand is if they hate Andy or hate Sam SO MUCH, why are they reading Sam & Andy fanfic?!?
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Dec 18 2012, 12:19 AM
@LAwoman, I saw some of those reviews on your story and couldn't help but shake my head. There's no reason for people to be so rude.

@Cythy That's crazy & funny!

I feel like S3 really polarized some people and they're taking it out on fanfic writers. And what I can't understand is if they hate Andy or hate Sam SO MUCH, why are they reading Sam & Andy fanfic?!?
And what's ironic about it is that it is the polar opposite from the hiatus between seasons 1 and 2 (there were a few, sporadic nasty reviews in between seasons 2 and 3). When I started writing, I was incredibly unsure of myself and posting. I'd written a few things but never posted. The outpour of love and encouragement from the reviewers from the RB fans is what helped me become the writer that I am today (and I look at some of my old stories and think 'why the heck would anyone review this, it was terrible'). To now see the flip side and how it is discouraging some writers is really upsetting to me.
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Nice idea for a thread. I've fallen off the radar a bit here as of late (working full-time while enormously pregnant isn't doing wonders for my energy level or brain power), but in reading stories and their reviews, I definitely agree that there's been an uptick in anonymous character bashing.

Meet You on the Other Side, Chapter 5 by Guest:

'This is pretty good so far. One thing though. You have Andy blame Sam (for everything) for not telling her he was upset that she ditched him after he had been tortured and almost killed. My question is: HOW could she not know? Oh thats right, because everything is up to him. She never tried in their relationship at all. She expected him to do everything and then blames him when things go wrong. And you have him accept ALL the blame and tell her she did nothing wrong? I truly hope this isnt what we see next season.'


Meet You on the Other Side, Chapter 9, by Guest:

'Good story. Its hopeful and just like their characters. Thats why I hated chapter 5 and almost didn't keep reading. She gets mad at him as usual and says he has to talk to her about what bothers him and when he does she gets mad at him for what he feels. Just like in the show she doesn't once apologize but he apologizes a bunch of times and even tries to make her feel better. I can see why he didn't talk to her. He tried to take it slow the first time and is still trying to and she gets mad at him for that but then blames him because they didn't take it slow. He's screwed no matter what he does. I really used to like Andy even when she was jerking him around but this season I really think I might hate her. You made her better in the rest of your story so I hope the writers make her grow up a whole lot while she's gone.
What I mean is , you did such a good job with her that I have to wonder why he likes her.'


Both comments were posted after the story was complete, so I didn't have an opportunity to respond in an author's note (which wouldn't have been worth it), but the first one really made me question the reading comprehension skills of the poster more than anything else. I think when people have a specific strong opinion in mind, it serves as the lens through which they see everything, and they're going to take away exactly what they expect from reading, regardless of the content that's actually there. (In this case, it was 'Andy = bad.') The second one came across as an opportunity to continue ripping on a character despite the platform being rather inappropriate for doing so.

If a reviewer has specific issues with things seeming OOC in the story, that's one thing - but to turn a review into a soapbox for their dislike of a character in general is irrelevant and in no way helpful to an author. A good place for those sorts of comments would be, say, the 'Thoughts on Sam and Andy' thread here, as opposed to people's stories... but, you know, that would require one not to hide behind anonymity.

Dishonorable mention for the following review, which ripped on other authors as opposed to a character (Meet You on the Other Side, Chapter 8, by Guest):

'Thank you for this. Your story is a realistic, accurate version of Sam. I think there are many many RB fanfic fans around who are very disappointed by the quality of writing out there right now. I used to get through the long hiatus reading fanfic, this season I have not been able to stomach this site at all because most RB writers seem to be angry, immature young women who get some kind of personal vindication or validation by writing Sam as angry, weak and irrational (usually all at once) and Andy as heroic, tortured and blameless. I have to wonder if they even watch the show and I really, really pity their boyfriends.'

Um. Thanks?
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Dec 18 2012, 10:13 AM
Dishonorable mention for the following review, which ripped on other authors as opposed to a character (Meet You on the Other Side, Chapter 8, by Guest):

'Thank you for this. Your story is a realistic, accurate version of Sam. I think there are many many RB fanfic fans around who are very disappointed by the quality of writing out there right now. I used to get through the long hiatus reading fanfic, this season I have not been able to stomach this site at all because most RB writers seem to be angry, immature young women who get some kind of personal vindication or validation by writing Sam as angry, weak and irrational (usually all at once) and Andy as heroic, tortured and blameless. I have to wonder if they even watch the show and I really, really pity their boyfriends.'

Um. Thanks?
And lets just point out that probably half of the people who complain have never posted a story. Sometimes things work out in your head and come out on paper very differently or seem really different to the reader - I know that I had a conversation once with another author about a comment I made on her story and she saw it a totally different way.
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I cannot believe some of the comments people post on there. Seriously. I swear sometimes I read reviews and feel like people are not watching the same show I am or reading the same fic I just did.

I can only hope that one day one of my fan fics is worthy of a review like the ones some of you have. I would LOVE to talk to these people.

I've noticed an influx of them more in the stories that were written after season 3 ended, even the ones that don't follow the timeline of the show. I get why people are angry, but were Sam and Andy really that awful to each other? I never feel like they are in the ff's so I feel like I'm missing something!
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Dec 18 2012, 06:22 PM
I cannot believe some of the comments people post on there. Seriously. I swear sometimes I read reviews and feel like people are not watching the same show I am or reading the same fic I just did.

I can only hope that one day one of my fan fics is worthy of a review like the ones some of you have. I would LOVE to talk to these people.

I've noticed an influx of them more in the stories that were written after season 3 ended, even the ones that don't follow the timeline of the show. I get why people are angry, but were Sam and Andy really that awful to each other? I never feel like they are in the ff's so I feel like I'm missing something!
I would love to have the discussion - but most of the people don't sign in, they submit their review as a guest. I've reviewed as a guest once or twice when I've pointed out a few grammar mistakes simply because anonymous reviews can be deleted and I don't want them to keep the comments.
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I saw a tumblr confession today about FF. I had to give a piece of my mind when I reblogged it. I seriously think someone is trying to rile us up.

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[This is what I wrote] FFS…I’m so g**damn sick of this shit in the RB fandom lately with the attitudes regarding fanfiction and how only girls with issues could like Andy and would want Sam with Andy. I get we all like different things and may want something different for the same characters and we all are entitled to our own opinions, but WHY DON’T YOU WRITE SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF YOU HATE ALL THE FANFIC RIGHT NOW?! or suggest something to an author that you liked last year?? Or wait for the show to come back so you can see how the producers/writers handle things?

Also, the tone of how S2 ended was much different than that of how S3 ended. Many people were upset with how S3 was played out with certain things (not just with the ending) and they are processing things and writing their own fiction how they want to. None of these girls are getting paid to do it, and most have lives outside of RB.

(excuse my language) If you don’t like it, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO F**KING READ IT AND MAKE RUDE COMMENTS TO THE AUTHORS. And I know a lot of fans that think both Andy and Sam f**ked up their relationship (2 separate people with different perspectives, like most relationships). Most of us like Andy along with Sam and realize that neither of them are perfect because, guess what? They were never meant to be perfect characters; they are written in a realistic way.

I used to read another TV show’s fanfic and very few people complained about other authors because there were different kinds of fic (so maybe there’s a problem with too much McSwarek fic for one’s liking?). But if someone didn’t like things, they would take it into their own hands and write their own view.

By the way, there is also stuff on livejournal and archiveofourown.
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I'm sorry that you girls who write wonderful fics have to deal with rude guest comments (if they were constructive criticism, okay, but some of these comments are ripping apart a fictional story!). *fist-bump* and :hug: of support for you authors!
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Haha, I love it when you get feisty, Ali! (although, language should maybe be toned down a bit :wink: )

I just wanted to add a couple things to this conversation. The first is that I'm actually not of the school that you should only put compliments in reviews. I know some people disagree, just because we're all unpaid amateurs. But I actually am fine with well thought out constructive criticism, as long as it's stated in at least a somewhat respectful way. Not every author is going to appreciate it, but at least some will be interested in seeing a diverse reaction to what they've written.

I also recognize that a relationship that flamed out is bound to polarize at least some fans to a certain extent in terms of taking sides. But I guess I am just tired of the small number who seem to use every story they read as an opportunity to vent the same gripes about characterization and how the rest of the fans are reacting to it.

The other thing I wanted to bring up is the issue of authors responding in PMs to critical reviews in extreme and inappropriate ways. One of our members here sent me a PM on this board letting me know of a horrible experience a friend of hers had with that and asking about blocking, etc. on ff.net.
I was hoping she would post in this thread herself, which I encouraged her to do. But since it's been a few days, I thought I'd go ahead and mention that as the flip side of the coin that may be part of the reason some people review anonymously.
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Much love Vixenali :hug:
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LOL, thanks Kathryn and angelflower! My best friend loves it when I speak up too (she's the very blunt one, me not as much!).
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Haha, I love it when you get feisty, Ali!

I just wanted to add a couple things to this conversation. The first is that I'm actually not of the school that you should only put compliments in reviews. I know some people disagree, just because we're all unpaid amateurs. But I actually am fine with well thought out constructive criticism, as long as it's stated in at least a somewhat respectful way. Not every author is going to appreciate it, but at least some will be interested in seeing a diverse reaction to what they've written.

I also recognize that a relationship that flamed out is bound to polarize at least some fans to a certain extent in terms of taking sides. But I guess I am just tired of the small number who seem to use ever story they read as an opportunity to vent the same gripes about characterization and how the rest of the fans are reacting to it.

The other thing I wanted to bring up is the issue of authors responding in PMs to critical reviews in extreme and inappropriate ways. One of our members here sent me a PM on this board letting me know of a horrible experience a friend of hers had with that and asking about blocking, etc. on ff.net.
I was hoping she would post in this thread herself, which I encouraged her to do. But since it's been a few days, I thought I'd go ahead and mention that as the flip side of the coin that may be part of the reason some people review anonymously.
I agree about constructive criticism but even that I have a limit. As I've said, I will sometimes log out to point out grammatical mistakes simply because I hope that people will delete the reviews after fixing it. I have also sent PMs saying that the person might want to consider a beta reader - but to be honest, in ff.net I go by the motto of "don't complain unless you can do something about it" and when I mention getting a beta reader, I'm very well aware that the person might ask me to do it.

As for authors responding inappropriately, I'm a little sad about that - I love the conversations I've had with people, both through responding to their reviews on my stories and my responses to their stories which prompted conversations. There is a way to block members - if someone wants more details on that you can PM me - and I think that the block works for that member reviewing your story and sending you a PM.


Just a comment about the tumblr post - maybe it is just me but when I read it, the first thing I zoned in on is the word "adult" - to me, that is pinpointing the "M" writers and I have two comments for that: #1 - check out lowriseflare on livejournal and #2 - it is a little hard to write steamy "M" (not that I have ever written any M rated things) with the way the season ended. Season 2 ended with a kind of did she/she didn't type of conclusion so stories could go both ways. Season 3 was more concrete, Andy left and Sam was sitting at the bar.
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Yeah, I told her I thought you knew how the blocking works. If you haven't heard from her, maybe she just hasn't been back here since I replied to her message.
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So I just went through some of my reviews - the story that I think I got the most "grief" from was She Always Comes Back - and that was at a point where you could disable anonymous reviews so I did after chapter 6. These were some of the responses (my comments are in red):

I did get an OOC comment on this story and I believe that my reply to the review was that I did not feel it was OOC since she was fighting to get back to her family and Sam was fighting to find her - both of which I believed to be true back then and even after season 3, I still believe will be true.


Chapter 5:

Jessie:Not sure where you are going with this. Most of your stories are quite depressing so I have come to expect the worst. But having Andy make a plan and then execute in this way seems like you ran out of ideas. Do you have a beta you can consult?
Wow...if you call my stories depressing...

Geraldina1981Rk:Interesting chapter. Not sure why you chose to go so slowly in telling this story. Seems like pandering for the most part. Don't quite get the positive reviews. Are they just ur friends?
Yes, a lot of them happen to be friends now that we have the TWC connection but if you think I'm dragging it out, then wait until it is complete and read it then

Chapter 6:

Sam's Lady Friend:Eww stop asking for reviews. If you has confidence in your story you wouldn't need to.
I have plenty of confidence but I wouldn't post it if people didn't want to read it and reviews do make my day

Daniella:I thought the idea at the beginning was cool but i am finding it absolutely ridiculous that Andy would abandon her fam for such a long time for a case. I think you should run ideas with someone before committing to a
chapter.
Well, maybe if you read every chapter you would realize that Andy didn't abandon her family - she was taken!

Florida:BORING!
So why bother wasting your time reviewing if you don't like it?

Jolienne:What is the surprising twist? That Andy was undercover? You have mangled what I imagined Sam and Andy to be like.
Once again, the surprising twist was that she was taken and I made it clear in chapter 2 (I think) that it was the working title because I didn't want to give it away - she wasn't undercover!

And my all-time favorite, how one of my readers totally defended me:
A reader:To 'Sam's Lady Friend' stop being so nasty, of course writers like reviews, it keeps them motivated. Be constructive in your crticism. It's a bit pathetic that someone has written all these chapters and that is the only thing you can come up with. Why are you reading this then?
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I've been asked re ff blocking as well - I think the member is just super busy at the mo'.

The tone of that confession sounded familiar to a couple of sentiments expressed about Andy in a couple of reviews I got from a 'guest' way back in 8 Days of Boo.. I vaguely recall them not wanting me to bring Andy into the story at all (um hello, the character has been identified as being part of the story).

I haven't received any ranting since then fortunately / maybe I wore them down with my relentless array of fics in a short space of time and they couldn't be arsed reading or reviewing them all- lol.

Re: 'adult' I assumed they used that reference because they judge the writers of anything immature, but you could be right on m rated stuff...although I think they'd have same issue with tg/lrf -- not because of the 'quality.., just cos they seem to hate Andy so much.

A couple of Sam-haters have said the odd thing to me too...again related to their dislike of his behavior.

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