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| Crush_anonymous | Jan 1 2013, 04:55 AM Post #1 |
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It seems to me that Ben has created two different personalities for Sam and JD. Perhaps "undercover Sam" is a little more relaxed with Andy? The first time they go undercover together JD holds her hand and puts his arm around her whereas Sam seems much more shy like in the way he looks when Andy tells him she loves him. What do you think?
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| margie311 | Jan 1 2013, 12:59 PM Post #2 |
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Well to be fair, putting your arm around someone is a lot more casual than hearing someone tell you they love you. Even if you're 100% thrilled about it, which I remain adamantly unconvinced about. But the JD personality I'm sure did start out as someone slightly different than himself for the purpose of his undercover, and then seemed to turn into a game btw him and Andy. I never really took it as anything more than that. Edit: I was just thinking about this some more and at the time of JD, we really knew so little about Sam and actually saw so little of JD that I never even really separated the two "characters". They were both just sides of Sam in my mind. Especially since we all seem to agree that Sam was talking about himself in the Maplehurst/pistachio conversation. Edited by margie311, Jan 1 2013, 04:08 PM.
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| Chris | Jan 1 2013, 05:09 PM Post #3 |
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JD is a temporary character for Sam. JD has no fear to be in a relationship because it's not the reality. |
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| vixenali | Jan 1 2013, 10:52 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah, I lean towards what both Margie and Chris say. We saw so little of "JD" that we saw he was 'freer' (I guess is the word), but we didn't see so much of his bad persona. He definitely skirted the rules when it came to Candice/Andy, but I think Sam in general does that anyways. JD was definitely more open about his feelings, but I felt like we didn't see enough in season 3 about Sam and Andy's relationship (except for when they broke up...that seemed to be where they were heading and we had episodes surrounding them being broken up at work with all these feelings). I honestly think that we need to learn more about Sam to understand his undercover personas. Oh, and welcome Janne13!!!
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| Crush_anonymous | Jan 2 2013, 08:35 PM Post #5 |
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Sorry, new at this...
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| Crush_anonymous | Jan 2 2013, 08:39 PM Post #6 |
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I just like the idea that Sam has this other side to his personality. Perhaps one in which he is freer and more able to express his emotions. I really want to see more about his past too... makes you wonder! Thanks for the welcome!
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| rookiefan24 | Jan 2 2013, 08:55 PM Post #7 |
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I think it's just like he said in the apartment when Andy is pointing out the differences between Sam and JD, JD is an open book. I think it has a lot to do with how Sam changes his personality when he takes on an op. Sam compartmentalizes a lot of his life and keeps things very well controlled so he doesn't get hurt. When he becomes JD, he can let that part of himself go a little, because really his undercover persona isn't exactly supposed to be dating anyone. I think for Sam, the easiest way to be someone else is to just be the part of him he keeps buried deep down. Andy sees that and calls him out on it. |
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| smdaniels18 | Jan 2 2013, 09:22 PM Post #8 |
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I like thinking about the differences between sam and JD(or whichever undercover persona he is playing). We don't know a lot about sam and his past as of the end of S3, but I always felt that JD allowed Sam to tell Andy things that he didn't feel comfortable expressing as himself. Being in the undercover persona allowed sam to hide while expressing a side of him that not many people know about. I always viewed sam as a very closed off character but he gets a chance to express himself without worrying about the judgement of others while playing the undercover character. I hope that made sense. After re reading it I don't really think I got My point across... Edited by smdaniels18, Jan 2 2013, 09:22 PM.
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| Lissa13 | Jan 3 2013, 04:32 AM Post #9 |
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I def agree that Sam and JD are one and the same for the most part. I, like margie never separated the two. And as far as putting his arm around her, that wasn't even JD that was Gabe, lol. And this is off-topic, but margie I am really curious as to what you mean when you say Even if he was 100% thrilled about hearing Andy say I love you, which you are adamantly unconvinced about. What is your take on the situation then. Why do you feel he wasn't 100% happy to hear that? |
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| margie311 | Jan 3 2013, 12:18 PM Post #10 |
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Ahhhh Gabe is a whole different story to me. I think being Gabe allowed Sam to do the things he'd been wanting to do without any fear of rejection or commitment bc in that instance, he WAS playing a part based on another person. He wouldn't have to own up to any feelings or make any excuses for touching her or kissing her. He could just do it. The other...I'll get back to that after the gym. The last time I brought I up, I remember it being quite the debate. Lol. Edited by margie311, Jan 3 2013, 12:19 PM.
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| Cythy | Jan 3 2013, 03:13 PM Post #11 |
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Gabe was a totally different scenario - with Gabe, Andy was with Luke. By the time we hit JD/Candace, Sam is not stupid - they had their almost kiss at the scene of the car fire, he knows that there is potential to pursue a deeper relationship than just friends. |
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| Lissa13 | Jan 3 2013, 04:49 PM Post #12 |
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yeah I def agree with yall about Gabe, I was just pointing out that it wasn't even JD that put his arm around her, it sounded like to me in the opening post Janne13 was actually talking about Gabe. |
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| margie311 | Jan 3 2013, 05:52 PM Post #13 |
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Oh I know, I just thought I'd take the opportunity to open my big mouth again ;) |
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| Lissa13 | Jan 3 2013, 06:00 PM Post #14 |
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lol ok! I am def interested in your pov on the ILY. |
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| margie311 | Jan 4 2013, 12:07 AM Post #15 |
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For Lissa13: The second I saw the expression on his face when that scene aired (the one where Andy is proclaiming her love for him), I said something like "wow, he doesn't look too thrilled about that." And that opinion was only reinforced when I saw the breakup scene. I think he was happy, but I think more than anything, he was overwhelmed. Like, "great, now I have this thing, but I have no damn clue what to do with it." I think he was wary about this relationship from the start, and up until that time, he and Andy were sort of going along, without too many issues tearing at them, and in my mind, I think he was expecting that to continue for a while until they both got to a more comfortable place before all that stuff started coming out. It was pretty clear from S3E1 that he wasn't automatically trusting of the relationship, or even of Andy herself concerning some things and I feel like that's something that doesn't come easily to him. I think if she'd said it a few more months down the line, things might have been different, but not for a second did I think he was over the moon about her telling him she loved him. We've seen him happy (albeit not often), but that wasn't the same expression he had on his face in the truck. |
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| LAwoman | Jan 4 2013, 12:20 AM Post #16 |
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Yeah, I thought it was about equal parts panic and being flattered/stoked. |
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| rookiefan24 | Jan 4 2013, 12:26 AM Post #17 |
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See I think he was more shocked than anything. It's not that I think he never thought she would say it, I don't think it was something he was expecting from her. I think for Sam, he's been in love with her pretty much since she tackled him, and he's never really stopped to think about just how she feels about him. He makes the comment to her in the 'Class Dismissed' about why she's in such a hurry with him when 6 months earlier she was engaged to someone else, but I don't think he looked at her feelings even then in terms of her loving him. So when she blurts it out, he's definitely overwhelmed by it, but I don't think he wasn't happy or that he wasn't thrilled that she loved him. At the time, I honestly don't think he was thinking in terms of something happening where he would feel like he did after Jerry's death. We just got done hearing him tell her that she wouldn't get rid of him without a fight, and I don't think he was joking when he said that (again, he never thought in terms of what happened to Jerry) In fact, I love how he smiles when she says he doesn't have to say it back. It's a smile of "she knows", but at the end of the day, I think she really did know he loved her. Maybe not to the degree that he does, but to some degree. Remember, Andy herself thinks there is something wrong with her that makes people NOT love her, so she would never be able to see just how much she does. I hope that makes sense. On the JD and Gabe front, I definitely agree about Gabe. Gabe was totally the bad ass Sam Swarek. He was able to completely go for it without worrying about anything because that was the character he was playing. I also agree that JD is the part of Sam he doesn't let out. Just like there is a side of Andy in her Candice character that she doesn't let out. I hope at some point we see a little more of JD and Candice. They helped Sam and Andy's feelings to finally come out, maybe they can help them get back together? |
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| margie311 | Jan 4 2013, 01:14 AM Post #18 |
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That's interesting. I never really got the idea that Andy actually thinks she's unlovable. I mean, yes, she has issues with her mother, but she's constantly surrounded by people who love and support her, and are trying to help out her career. She had a somewhat successful relationship with Luke before everything went to hell, and not once did I get the idea that she thought any of the problems between them were something that was wrong with HER.
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| rookiefan24 | Jan 4 2013, 01:25 AM Post #19 |
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Maybe unlovable was the wrong word. I can't really think of the right word to use for this. I know she thinks that those she loves always let her down, but I think she also alludes to the fact that there must be something wrong with her that makes everyone she loves leave her or let her down. I guess unlovable wouldn't be the best word for that, but I don't really know another word for it. I know she questions why her mom left, why her dad thought the bottle was more important, why Luke thought the job was more important, why Sam left when things got rough. I guess that's where I get unlovable, but I could be wrong in that use of the word. |
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| margie311 | Jan 4 2013, 01:35 AM Post #20 |
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Okay, so what that boils down to for me, is that she's used to people disappointing her. (Which one could argue is also a little bit on her) But moving on... See, I wrap the whole mom/dad thing together. And that is all tied in with her childhood and considering how little theyve actually shared with us, I don't even want to pretend to understand all that, but she seems fine with her dad now. In fact, she's so unconcerned with him in general that she forgot his birthday....but moving on. I think she thought that Luke might be wrapped up in his work, but I never really got the idea that she questioned her part in that. Like, I never really thought that it was just one more thing that shoved her into the background or anything. And she never really questioned it. One time, when she shot that guy, she got upset about it, but we never saw her really lay into him about it, in fact, after that episode, I can't remember if she really had any real issues with it at all. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who sits alone and asks herself "now what am *I* doing wrong that all these people aren't there for me". It seems more like "why do I keep letting people do this to me?", and even then, I still don't get the feeling like it's something she stews and mopes over. In fact, we see her stepping up to the next thing time and time again going "this time I'm gonna do it right", "this time I'm not going to let people make me feel like this" etc etc etc. Edited by margie311, Jan 4 2013, 01:51 AM.
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