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Ben's personal Twitter Sessions; May include mild s4 spoilers
Topic Started: Mar 28 2013, 04:45 PM (76,675 Views)
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rookiefan
Sep 22 2013, 07:58 PM
Elly123
Sep 22 2013, 06:00 PM
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Sep 22 2013, 05:23 PM
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Sep 22 2013, 04:19 PM
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Sep 22 2013, 04:13 PM

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Good to know! It's just the way he looked at her. I just feel like we were supposed to understand or see something and I don't have a clue!
So you don't even have a few guesses? When I was watching the episode, I thought the whole purpose of that convo was to show that Andy was still paying close attention to Sam, despite his relationship status, and also to surprise Sam who had no idea that she even cared in the slightest at that point. After all, episode 11 was their blow out over the tampered evidence, where she pointedly walked away from him and told him she didn't do it for him.

You must have theories? :)
Yes, you probably are right but the thing about that whole Chicago trip is the fact that he did things like that with and for MARLO when he never bothered with Andy. Didn't Sam say that he hates flying or doing all thta couply stuff? But he did that with Marlo (okay, maybe/maybe not). Going on trips makes me doubt Sam isn't serious about Marlo and maybe even more serious about her then about Andy IMO. It looks like a kind of thing you do with the girl you love not with a casual girl you're dating (as Ben Bass likes to make us believe).

The whole Chicago thing just leaves a really bitter taste in my mouth because I think that he puts in such an afford in his relationship with Marlo. It makes Sam/Marlo a much bigger thing then many of us would like and it looks like Sam really might be in love with Marlo. Why else go through all that trouble? It makes Marlo look like serious competition for Sam's heart and the only reason Sam/Marlo don't work out is because Marlo puts a stop to it.

I just watched season 4 from beginning to end and it bothers me that the entire season Sam shows no interest in ending things with Marlo not even in the last episode and then they also dump that bit of Chicago on us to make it look like although Sam confessed that he misses Andy he'd rather spend his life with Marlo anyway.

It makes it hard to believe Sam still is so very in love with Andy the whole season as Ben keeps saying. To me this whole season showed that Sam and Andy can be just as happy (if not happier) with other people then with each other and I hate that feeling because I loved and still love the Sam/Andy we saw in season 1 and 2 and part of season 3.

I think it was a bad decision to show so little of Sam's feelings for Andy and some sort of struggle to make things work with Marlo after Andy's return. Instead they show us 1 or 2 looks that Sam sends Andy's way but a very happy and loving boyfriend within 6 MONTHS of Andy leaving for Marlo. It makes zero sense to me how Sam suddenly decides to throw himself into a new relationship before Andy returns. It makes me understand Andy's doubt about Sam's feelings for her and I feel the same.

That reminds me I still want to know when Sam and Marlo started and who initiated it. How long had it been going on before episode 4.1?

Edit: Sorry that this post turned out to be a bit of a rant but the whole Sam/Marlo relationship made and still makes no sense to me. Marlo doesn't come across as the great person Sam says she is in episode 4.2. Then he even admits in episode 4.7 that whatever they have is super shallow. Which is why I don't understand why he didn't end things then. It wouldn't have been hard. Also they keep saying (writers and cast) that Marlo is a better match for Sam then Andy but that just doesn't come across at all. Marlo (Rachael Ancheril) also isn't anything like Andy (Missy), not personality wise and not appearance wise either (except they both have long dark hair and are cops). The whole Sam/Marlo thing was rubbed in our faces for episode 4.1 and seems to have ended yet again of screen, that makes understanding what they had even more difficult.
Elly123, I think Smarlo was partly about 'faking it till you make it' for Sam, similar to Andy and Luke. His feelings for Marlo were surface level at best and as the season progressed, you could see a dawning realisation. He wasn't happy and he knew it.

I think, as per his webisode confession, he felt distraught that he could not be for Andy what he needed to be. I think this translated into him trying to be boyfriend of the year with Marlo, doing some of the things he should have done when he was with Andy. I don't think he visited Chicago with Marlo and I think him asking Andy to check the files again, was his way of telling her.

I also think that Sam stayed with Marlo through loyalty and guilt and nothing more towards the back end of the season.

For me, Sam knew when Andy returned from going UC that she was ready to restart their relationship and I don't feel i understand from the episodes why he held back and treated her the way he did. Was it that he was so wounded, was it that he was stubborn, was it that he was afraid of being left again, in his eyes; was it that he didn't think they could work, who knows. It would be good to understand Sam's POV on this. I know he said he screwed up over and over and over again, I assumed that one of those screw-ups was not talking to Andy and restarting their relationship after her UC stint, once they had gotten past the baggage of the past.

Perhaps I should ask Ben on Twitter tomorrow :giggle:
Hey Rookie fan...if I may say this..now it's only my opinion but I like the part of what you said about the fake it til you make it part I think Sam tried the same thing Andy tried. He really put his all into it. I think they did go to Chicago together b/c Andy did say Marlo wouldn't have anything (meaning notes) on that day b/c "you" (meaning both of them) was in Chicago. I think the subtext was basically Letting the audience know Sam is trying to really change to be different & do the things Andy wanted him to do unfortunately he had to do them with someone else but he could realize he did enjoy those things Andy wanted to do...just that he wanted to do them with Andy. As for it coming out like that was more so Andy letting Sam know that's why she moved on because it seemed to her like Sam was happy...here he was doing all these things but with someone else. So she's thinking I better jump on the Nick train before I'm alone...Sam's moved on maybe I should to.

I think the writers was giving the audience a reason for seeing why Andy felt she needed to move on. Again miscommunication on so many levels.....Oliver told Andy so she could put a stop to it maybe confess to Sam she still loves him. Sam was trying hard to make a life (whatever kind he could) and Andy was trying not to be alone. Remember in S3 eps1 Sam told Andy "all she wanted was to be a cop & all he wanted was you". She chose her career over him again & so now he was stubbornly saying fine I'm moving on w/o you. I don't need you. Humbly though he comes to see he really does. Andy, chooses the 1 thing she can rely on, her job...only humbly she comes to see that she too needs Sam in order to be truly happy. Though she loves her job, it's not the same without Sam.
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Yes, with Andy. Perfect example of - ok I can't be with him but at least I will still see him and know he is ok. Except at the end, he tells her I can't be here and watch you happy with HIM.
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Ben is online right now. :)
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He said that sam was with marlo in chicago :puke:

I really didn't need to know that.

And it doesn't make any sense, it is like the "i was calling you for 6 weeks" line from andy in 3x13.
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So, I'm shocked. Logistically with the timeframe of the episodes, I don't see how they could have gone away together. Also, if they had, he would have seen Marlo's bipolar because she immediately started acting different after 4x09.

Many on twitter think he's wrong. I'd really love to get Tassie to answer the question too.
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Agreed! Maybe that is the next question to ask Ben - How could you not know something was off with Marlo?????????????????
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Agreed! Maybe that is the next question to ask Ben - How could you not know something was off with Marlo?????????????????
Someone did reply and ask him something to that affect.
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And I like how he said that scene was basically just to let him know she was was keeping tabs on him. still cared.. so they probably concentrated on THAt aspect and not the timetable..
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http://andysmcnally.tumblr.com/post/62129435584/our-captain-has-spoken-loved-a-lot-of-his

so posted a few of ben's tweets. the ones i thought were good for us! :D
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Did anyone notice the tweet that he was hoping his play to run Sep 2014, depending on RB filming? At first I assumed, this Sept....but RB isn't filming until January. Then I thought, huh, he must really be expecting the show to be renewed again. Also, he must be intending to continue beyond S5...assuming that wasn't a misstype of course. :)

I thought that was great news. :)
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http://andysmcnally.tumblr.com/post/62129435584/our-captain-has-spoken-loved-a-lot-of-his

so posted a few of ben's tweets. the ones i thought were good for us! :D
You're awesome, thanks for doing this. :)
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LOVED what he said in the last part of the twitter session!!! :D

Honestly, I do think that Chicago thing was a plot point, DONE VERY sloppy, to just let him see that Andy DOES still care...

Also, loved how he responded to the Q about no gun and vest and the subtext there.... guy was willing to die because he couldn't have Andy... wow...
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Also, from Ben's tweet it seems like he will still be a D next year!

"@Kazza169 it's wouldn't really be a demotion. i think he'll prob stay in plain clothes. what would you like to see?"
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LOL - so he obviously knows we didn't like that answer


Robin ‏@robin1414 7h

@BenBassOfficial so did Marlo go with Sam to Chicago or did he go alone?
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Ben Bass ‏@BenBassOfficial 6h

@robin1414 yeah, they went together.but please don't tell anymore people. i'm gonna be in so much trouble
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@BenBassOfficial Now that Sam's confessed his feelings to Andy, do you think he'll keep fighting for her, even when she's uncertain?
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@missraquelb yes, he will. (if he makes it)

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Agreed! Maybe that is the next question to ask Ben - How could you not know something was off with Marlo?????????????????
I think its easy not to see something when your not really into what you're looking @. Sam was faking his relationship even more since Andy was back. Whenever they went it was after Andy got back from uc because Oliver was able to tell her. But anytime after S4 eps2 he was jacked up. Not only was Andy back BUT she told him she did feel the same way....then in Eps3 she said she'd knew when to quit which let him know she was still interested or had to think she had a shot. Maybe Sam (in his mind) was still just mad & hurt @ her for leaving AGAIN & he was not aware yet just how deep his love was for Andy. Sometimes you have to either lose or come close to losing what you had in order to realize what you have. Omg....did that make sense???? :dunno:

I need coffee :facepalm:
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Ya, well there are a couple other questions I would like to ask as a follow up to Ben's answer. 1 - did he fly? GRRRRRR. and 2 - His answer was somthing to the effect of "as couple's do" or whatever - WTF he didn't with Andy. Oh wait! They went to Sudbury!

I know - plot point. But boy was that sloppy!
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Sep 24 2013, 08:35 AM
Robin ‏@robin1414 7h

@BenBassOfficial so did Marlo go with Sam to Chicago or did he go alone?
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@robin1414 yeah, they went together.but please don't tell anymore people. i'm gonna be in so much trouble
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Poor man, we are more jealous than Andy. he is afraid of us. ( :sarc: )

well that was just an other thing done only for plot point, like Andy and Nick to the NF. yeah, so believable :facepalm:
probably they think that we just look at the big picture (they wanted to show us that she still cares, so that her confession didn't look odd) and that we don't care about timeframe or about 'small details' like how is it possible that he didn't notice there was something weird in her attitude. maybe we are a little obsessed. maybe.
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Sep 24 2013, 08:35 AM
LOL - so he obviously knows we didn't like that answer


Robin ‏@robin1414 7h

@BenBassOfficial so did Marlo go with Sam to Chicago or did he go alone?
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@robin1414 yeah, they went together.but please don't tell anymore people. i'm gonna be in so much trouble
i think a lot of people tweeted that question. I never get a response so I was surprised he answered my question since he has already responded to one... glad he did though.
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So, I'm shocked. Logistically with the timeframe of the episodes, I don't see how they could have gone away together. Also, if they had, he would have seen Marlo's bipolar because she immediately started acting different after 4x09.

Many on twitter think he's wrong. I'd really love to get Tassie to answer the question too.
Well that sucks. Ben says that it's something you do with your partner but Andy was his partner and he never bothered. :badmood:
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