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Marlo Cruz / Rachael Ancheril; Everything relating to Rachael or Marlo - Interviews, articles etc.
Topic Started: Jan 21 2013, 04:17 AM (7,615 Views)
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There's been a lot of misconception about bipolar running rampant on twitter and I think our friend vixenali did a great job of summing up the mental disorder:

http://swareksvixen.tumblr.com/post/55854132802/attention-rookie-blue-fandom

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I would appreciate people who have no clue what bipolar disorder is to stop talking about it, and get cracking at educating yourself about what it is. You’re stigmatizing it and that is NOT a good thing because there are people are diagnosed with bipolar and are able to lead mostly normal lives (through meds and therapy and other means). People you walk past down the street and never know that they have a mental disorder because nothing is stamped on their forehead stating that.

Do you know that it is not a psychotic break and has nothing to do with being psychotic? That it’s a mood disorder (or was, DSM V changed the categories…which don’t get me started on…). It’s cycling of depression with manic episodes. And manic episodes are heightened mood, not “losing your shit" as some people think. And some manic episodes can exist with little impairment (i.e. you might hardly be able to tell if someone is manic). Mania is elevated, expansive, or irritable moods with inflated self-esteem or grandiosity, decreased need for sleep, more talkativeness than usual, or pressure to keep talking, flight of ideas or racing thoughts, distractibility, increase activity or psychomotor agitation, excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences. And it causes significant distress or impairment.

Some people may have only 1 or 2 manic episodes in their lifetime and still be diagnosed as bipolar. Everyone has a different story and many times it doesn’t manifest until adulthood (we actually do not have standardized measures of bipolar in children).

The ignorance pisses me off and I don’t want to hear rude comments about Marlo. I’m hoping that the writers and that Rachael will be doing a great job (and have done their research) with this plot line. (the lying thing gets me nervous bc most PDs do psych evals and many other tests, but we will see with how the storyline goes)


A person who is in a manic state would be seriously on their game. If you've seen Homeland, you've had a taste of this (although this is on the higher end-- Marlo could be less of this).

Stephen Fry does a great job of explaining what it's like to have bipolar. His explanation certainly gives some insight into Marlo.



In reality, Marlo's bipolar could only be a secret if she'd had her first break after becoming an officer. All Toronto police officers go through major, major psych evaluations. She would've been found out at that point in time. There is no way she would've been able to keep it a secret, especially if she's got medication for it. Furthermore, her personal psychologist would be paid for by her benefits program. You are required to fill out a form that asks a bunch of questions which can be disclosed to your employer. So, there is a bit of a hole in the storyline. In real life they would know about her bipolar.

Also, even if it is disclosed, she would not be fired. In Ontario there are laws that protect people with mental disorders. She would, as she said, be suspended and put on desk duty (probably).
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Thank you for explaining this Vixenali & StarryDreamer. It's very important that we have a good perception of what it really is. My cousin has Asperger syndrome and lots of people think they know what it is when in reality they have no idea.

Bottom line is, educate yourself before you open your mouth. :D
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Thank you for posting this here, starry! :police: :flower:

I have been doing a little bit of research on having a mental disorder and becoming a cop (bc I happened to get spoiled on this a few weeks ago). My research deals with US police departments and laws (since I'm in Ohio) and @starry knows more about Canadian and Ontario laws^^ (but there probably are similarities)

First off, as long as you are able to own a licensed gun, you can be a cop, depending on the city you work in (some are more picky about that because of liability issues). It depends on past behavior and current ability to carry out the role. (I'm using the LAPD bc there is info online) A person would need to be psychologically tested (there may be a couple of tests used, probably personality stuff--there are no tests that tell you right off the bat that you have so-and-so disorder--they don't work that way), be thoroughly looked at and that mental disorders can be grounds for disqualification (but AGAIN, it depends on the city and the individual). And if she never was properly diagnosed, there would be no paperwork and records of it for anyone to know about it. In the US, we have a federal law: the Americans with Disabilities Act to provide accommodations to people living with emotional illnesses. Employers are not legally allowed to ask job seekers about their health problems during interviews, employees who decide that they need accommodations in their workplace must reveal their emotional illness to their manager and directly ask for accommodations. (so it sounds like Marlo would be placed behind a desk then)

Cops carry guns, there are licenses and if one has been in a psych ward, they most likely won't be able to carry a gun. If the illness is under control (and has always been--no hospitalizations) or has never been diagnosed, then you can own a gun. (I know these laws may vary by state and they are always changing)

If Marlo was fine when she was training to be a cop and then had a manic episode later on, that would change things, but most likely, she would have to disclose it, especially if she's taking meds and if she was properly diagnosed.

The LAPD's recruitment brochure is online and goes into their requirements: LAPD brochure

This also makes me think about Andy's dad...here's a guy who was a well-honored detective that had issues with alcoholism and which led to his career downfall. There was also a cop who took his gun and shot himself in a holding cell in my suburb because he was stealing money and had issues with depression. Cops aren't super-humans and all the crap that they see through the years takes its toll!

I also want to say that mental disorders have many, many causes: biological, physical, genetic, the environment one grew up in, stress, etc. (we don't know what exactly causes bipolar)
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I think the issue is more when she's depressed, rather than when she is manic. Because if she was manic, she'd be the best damn police officer ever.

To become an officer in Ontario (either in a municipality or for the province) you have to go to a provincial police training facility (the exception is Peel Regional Police who have their own). At that facility, you learn all the ins and outs of being an officer (ie. training, driving a car, etc.) You also become licensed to operate a weapon. This is a standard license for all Canadians. Only the military have a different licensing because they operate different weapons.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/lic-per-eng.htm

So an Average Joe could be just as licensed as a police officer.

I did a quick peak at the RCMP site and it doesn't look like there's restrictions relating to mental illness. Just that you have to pass the course to get the license.

Back to being an officer in Ontario-- once you pass the provincial training you can apply to any police force in Ontario (except Peel because of their separate schooling). So, let's say that TPS sees Marlo's paperwork-- she was amazing in police foundations, does a lot of the community, etc. etc. So they call her in to begin the process. The process is arduous. I was told by a cop that they will ask you for all your internet passwords and handles. They want to know what you do online. They also do psych evaluations that are super thorough. A friend of a friend was going through the process and they determined she was "too compassionate" and cut her loose. They address your ability to deal with seeing a body, or how would you respond to someone who is a teen criminal, a minority, etc. etc. The slightest blip and you're cut. For every 1 person cut, there are 3000 more applicants looking for a policing job.

They can also practice constructive discrimination-- legally. So you have to have 20/20 vision (no contacts or glasses) Although if you end up needing them later, they can't fire you over it. Someone like Marlo, would have likely been cut in the interviewing stage if they felt there was the slightest risk. Obviously TPS didn't, so they hired her on. If anyone is to blame, it's TPS for not doing their homework.

Is Marlo in the wrong for not telling? Sure. But I see her point about why she doesn't want to-- she's afraid of the ramifications. And consider that ending up in that place would/could further her depression.
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Thanks for that info!! You are such a help with Ontario and Toronto information and I'm always so appreciative of it!! :D The hiring process sounds similar to that of US police academies.

I would think she has more of the depressive symptoms--most people with bipolar disorder do and may only have 1 or 2 manic episodes their entire lifetime. I'm very curious about her cycle and her history of bipolar.
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This is from the LAPD:
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Other conditions such as bipolar disorder, recurring major depression, with or without psychotic features or suicidal ideation, recurring anxiety disorders, with or without panic attacks, obsessive/compulsive disorder, and most diagnoses leading to a psychiatric hospitalization are highly disqualifying. Although the candidate will be asked to provide relevant medical records documenting the conditions and treatment received, these conditions often provide a basis for disqualification for a police officer position. source
Doesn't sound to me like she would have gotten hired.

TPS may be more accommodating but I wonder if they just SAY that, have they actually hired anyone to be a police officer with mental health issues?
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Just felt the need to add, that there are people who do get diagnosed of BD much later in life, most cases I know were diagnosed after 30s and the way the health care works in my country (which is similar to Canadian) it's possible that you're diagnosed and seeking psychiatric help without knowledge of your personal doctor (by simply going to a private clinic on your own expense), which also has no direct connection to medical examination for job evaluation/employment that is usually done by a clinic that a company/public service has a contract with for examining all the future or current employees (and usually they don't contact your personal doctor afterwards who follows your chart).
I don't know how it really works in your parts of the world, but the reality I live in, it's quite possible that even psychiatric diagnosis isn't disclosed in personal (medical) files.
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This is from the LAPD:
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Other conditions such as bipolar disorder, recurring major depression, with or without psychotic features or suicidal ideation, recurring anxiety disorders, with or without panic attacks, obsessive/compulsive disorder, and most diagnoses leading to a psychiatric hospitalization are highly disqualifying. Although the candidate will be asked to provide relevant medical records documenting the conditions and treatment received, these conditions often provide a basis for disqualification for a police officer position. source
Doesn't sound to me like she would have gotten hired.

TPS may be more accommodating but I wonder if they just SAY that, have they actually hired anyone to be a police officer with mental health issues?
No clue! But considering that there is a huge population of people who suffer from a mental disorder, it is likely. Nick suffers from PTSD (he does right? I didn't just make that up because fanfic made it so, right? lol) and he's a cop.

Sam, presumably, could also suffer from serious mental instability and he's a cop too. Quite frankly, I'm not entirely certain that with Sam's (assumed) past he would've made it through either. You have to be seriously squeaky clean and even have squeaky clean friends (Apparently police HR sees your friends as a reflection of your own character).
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Jul 19 2013, 01:03 PM
Sam, presumably, could also suffer from serious mental instability and he's a cop too. Quite frankly, I'm not entirely certain that with Sam's (assumed) past he would've made it through either. You have to be seriously squeaky clean and even have squeaky clean friends (Apparently police HR sees your friends as a reflection of your own character).
This description reminded me of my co-worker's son, who was living at home when he applied to & joined the TPS: he had to get 'testimonials' from their neighbours (official documentation that he submitted with his application) professing to his character, etc. It was slightly awkward, since they didn't know any of the neighbours!!! Turned out they were all willing to help out, LOL!

This was several years ago, so don't know if it's still that way.

Since Tassie, Noelle & company have always said they derive their stories from the sometimes 'believe-it-or-not' tales about real-life policing, no doubt Marlo's situtation is based in fact.

(like the series "Cracked" is based on the Toronto ETF officer's experience with PTSD -- think he's still with the force, too)
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Honestly, the more I think about it, I think Marlo actually knew she was spiraling out of control a few points this season. In 4.03 she tells Sam that she'll be fine - looking back, she might have been afraid that she was going to spiral.

And, in 4.04 I think she really takes Dov's advice to heart and I think his advice might go a long way with helping her, not just to get past the shooting
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That process Starry mentioned can take up to a year or more.

They investigate everything - my co-worker is trying to get into the TPS and we've had police officers show up randomly at the store to question us about him and 'chat' with him.
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In a new interview with the U.K.'s Telegraph newspaper that took place at her home in New York, Zeta-Jones, 43, explains that the stress of her husband Michael Douglas's battle with throat cancer two years ago was a trigger for the disease.
"[Bipolar] is something I have been dealing with for a long time," she tells the paper. "When you get sideswiped like that [with Douglas's illness] it's an obvious trigger for your balance to be a little bit off – not sleeping, worry, stress. It's a classic trigger." source
Stress = trigger. Being a cop is stressful. :ermm:
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In a new interview with the U.K.'s Telegraph newspaper that took place at her home in New York, Zeta-Jones, 43, explains that the stress of her husband Michael Douglas's battle with throat cancer two years ago was a trigger for the disease.
"[Bipolar] is something I have been dealing with for a long time," she tells the paper. "When you get sideswiped like that [with Douglas's illness] it's an obvious trigger for your balance to be a little bit off – not sleeping, worry, stress. It's a classic trigger." source
Stress = trigger. Being a cop is stressful. :ermm:
I saw this and instantly thought of RB and Marlo. Guess they are educating us a bit, huh?
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Honestly, the more I think about it, I think Marlo actually knew she was spiraling out of control a few points this season. In 4.03 she tells Sam that she'll be fine - looking back, she might have been afraid that she was going to spiral.

And, in 4.04 I think she really takes Dov's advice to heart and I think his advice might go a long way with helping her, not just to get past the shooting
In a way I think that's something she's always going to be afraid of: Spiraling out of control because of something on the job. IMO it's an even finer line, than with other cops who face similar situations as her, between her dealing with the "normal" cop stuff and letting it control her, because of her illness.
I think in a way Dov's interaction with her showed her that the people she works with might care about her despite not knowing that much about her.

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In a new interview with the U.K.'s Telegraph newspaper that took place at her home in New York, Zeta-Jones, 43, explains that the stress of her husband Michael Douglas's battle with throat cancer two years ago was a trigger for the disease.
"[Bipolar] is something I have been dealing with for a long time," she tells the paper. "When you get sideswiped like that [with Douglas's illness] it's an obvious trigger for your balance to be a little bit off – not sleeping, worry, stress. It's a classic trigger." source
Stress = trigger. Being a cop is stressful. :ermm:
I saw this and instantly thought of RB and Marlo. Guess they are educating us a bit, huh?


In a way Zeta-Jones provided us with a checklit: not sleeping, check; stress, check (hello, cop!), worry, not a definite check but her keeping it a secret does kinda lead to her worrying about it coming out. And if Sam does get his head straight and him and Andy do get closer, I mean talking, more contact etc, and it seems easy for him I can totally see her worrying about her relationship.

But I don't know, if she would really handle it wouldn't that include her knowing what could possibly trigger an episode? That alone should let her question if being a cop is really the right choice for her.
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Hi All,

I'll be interviewing Rachael Ancheril who plays Marlo this coming Monday.
If there's anything you'd like me to ask her feel free to leave your questions here.

Thanks.

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Did she do any research into understanding bipolar disorder after getting her role? If so, what did she do?

What has it been like being the interloper to the Sam & Andy pairing?

What advice would you give Marlo going forward?
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Maybe a bit to specific but I'd like to know this:

1) When did Sam and Marlo start their relationship? How long has that been going on before the start of the season.

2) Who pursued who? Sam pursued Marlo or Marlo pursued Sam.

3) How long has Marlo been at 15th division when the season started?

4) Why did Marlo leave SWAT and become a beat cop again?

5) What was it like to join a show that was already established (in it's 4th season) and did you feel at home straight away?

6) What is your personal favorite episode/scene and why?

Great that you get to interview Rachael and I hope you find some of these questions helpful.
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I am wondering about any changes she put toward script...or even improv in scenes?
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If she (Rachael) was put in the same position as Andy what course of action would she take?
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