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| margie311 | Feb 8 2012, 04:35 PM Post #181 |
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Hahaha. You're totally not wrong. I still like him. |
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| Natalie | Feb 8 2012, 04:45 PM Post #182 |
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HAHA I totally agree. Luke doesn't seem like that great a detective. Soooo I am assuming that is just the writers not having enough time to put him actively solving cases around the other storylines. They did try hard to portray him as a truth/lie detector but even that didn't quite translate to me. |
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| margie311 | Feb 8 2012, 04:50 PM Post #183 |
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I tend to agree. Overall, except for his purpose as a barrier between Sam and Andy, and later as a force helping to push them together, they really haven't developed his character as much as I would like to see. Especially when it comes to his job. |
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| secretk | Feb 8 2012, 04:54 PM Post #184 |
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Well, you can be hurt if you are cheated. She was with him, of course she felt something, but it wasn't that strong. At least that's how I feel and that's how I saw it. The next episode she was interested in covering the story far more than everything else. It's inevitable to feel hurt if someone cheats on you. If you felt that this someone was the love of your life, the feeling is far more devastating. You don't care what other people think, you are depressed. Let's just say I have been in this situation, it lasts a lot more than a moment. It's more like months. I'm sorry but when I'm sad, I don't go to knock on the first door to sleep with someone. Granted, I wouldn't want to sleep with someone at all after I've killed someone, but if I want to talk to someone, I will go to someone who would actually listen to me and understand me. Sam was hurt after that make out and the way she left. And she actually didn't apologize to him the way she had to. And of course he had his fault because he didn't give her an opportunity. And the whole fishing cabin was Luke's way to tell Sam I'm annoyed because you like my girl and she's not so oblivious. Luke wanted to be backup in the season 1 finale for two reasons - he didn't believe that Andy is ready and he knew that she had to play a girlfriend to Sam. The whole speech that he didn't want her doing this was not only desire to protect her, it was jealousy. His proposal for Andy to help him and Jo solve case was because he didn't want her to be working with Sam. As for how good detective Luke is, well I don't base my opinion on the police plot in this show, because if I have to do that, I have to write 5 pages report how this show is ridiculous in that line. I'm huge fan of all kind of police movies and series and I've watched enough to say that this is not brilliant in that. The rookies are not detectives and they don't solve cases, they usually put the tape and check for guns and witnesses. The detectives solve cases. The whole Nixon case wasn't told well, I didn't get that whole mystery. I know the idea was to show how Andy is good, but it was more like wow Andy deducted something that came out of nowhere and Luke is stupid for not getting that. And I don't want to make that report, because this will mean that I won't like the series. So I prefer to believe in what the characters summaries say - Luke is good detective, than that is. Why Luke didn't break up with Andy? Well, for the same reasons as Andy - she was safe choice, she wasn't going to hurt him like Jo. They both didn't want to see the truth. There are people who can't be single. They prefer to be with someone that they are not head over heels than to be alone. Luke wanted to feel loved, because Jo walked out. And he liked Andy, but he didn't love her, not the way he loved Jo. He realized that only when he had the opportunity to compare Andy and Jo. |
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| margie311 | Feb 8 2012, 05:04 PM Post #185 |
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I just don't really believe that Luke asking Sam about letting Andy leave early was purely out of jealousy. At that point he knew NOTHING about their "relationship." As far as he knew, it was friendly but strictly professional. He didn't start getting twitchy about it until later, when he found the paper in the jar in Andy's freezer. Also, we don't really know how much time passes between episodes. And it seems to vary with each one. There's no real way of knowing how much time passed between Andy finding out and the point where she felt like she was over it. (Although, it's been a while since I Watched so...I could be wrong about this). And, that being said, that kind of thing will also vary with different people. Some people just get over it faster. Some people don't. She didn't apologize to Sam, mainly because he was doing every possible thing he could to avoid it. He didn't want to talk about it, he made snarky immature jokes (also in subsequent episodes), and literally made it as difficult as he could for her. Yes, he might understand her, but he probably also realized that when she showed up that night, she really wasn't there FOR HIM. He flat out asked her if she wanted to talk. He knew she was upset, and he did it anyway. As far as I'm concerned, too bad for him. Yes, it sucks. But if he's so caring, and so insightful, he also knew why she was there, so really, he's got very little reason to be selfish and upset about it. He let himself be used. And at this point in the show, it was pretty obvious that Andy was very willing to push aside any complicated emotions, to sort of ignore them in favor of something easier. And while it might be messy and hurt people, frankly, letting herself feel something with Sam (no matter how ill thought out, or how it was intended) was preferable to feeling the devastation she was feeling over the shooting. Totally my opinion, but it's what I thought the first time I saw it, and I doubt my thoughts will change about it. I agree that he might not have loved Andy like he loved Jo. I also think he probably felt like he got burned when he let himself love Jo that much. It makes sense he might hold back a little, even if he did love Andy. You can love people in different ways, in varying degrees. As much as he might have loved Jo, clearly, she wasn't right for him at that time. And though he loves Andy, obviously, she wasn't right for him either. Just sad, really. Poor Luke. *L* Edited by margie311, Feb 9 2012, 04:37 AM.
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| secretk | Feb 8 2012, 05:21 PM Post #186 |
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I liked your comment how Sam let Andy using him, because that's so true. And yeah he didn't give her a chance to apologize. And I so don't like men who let women using them. I admit that I watched those episodes recently, so I might have seen the things different because I've seen them too fast in a row. By the way do we know anything about Luke and Sam relationship prior the show? Because when I watched the second episode of the first season, when Sam appears in uniform and starts talking, I saw Luke rolling his eyes with some pretty forced smile and smirk. And I interpreted this as showing that Luke and Sam are not friends at all. And then the Sam's comment that Luke picks up rookie every year, it made me think that they might've liked the same rookie before Andy. Maybe that's for a fan fiction story. I don't know I was just wondering. The focal point for me was when Luke found out that Sam liked Andy was during that ranting. The way Sam attacked Luke, the way Andy reacted. It was subtle way for the three of them and everyone else who got insight (like all the rookies, Williams, Noelle and even Jerry) that this will be love triangle. Also don't forget there are always gossips in such environment. At work we comment those things all the time. We always know when there is a romance, even if the coworkers don't wanna admit it, it's just obvious. It doesn't take too much to see it. So it won't be that weird if Luke had overheard someone commenting about Sam and Andy and their banters. We also don't know how much Andy talked about Sam with Luke - like complaining to work with him. |
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| margie311 | Feb 8 2012, 05:27 PM Post #187 |
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Valid point about the workplace gossip. Extremely valid. And I can totally see Andy complaining about Sam, but it just wasn't demonstrated to us, and so, I just kind of think Luke is oblivious. The stupid thing is that he's STILL oblivious after the retrain. He actually grinned at Sam after everyone was telling him to let him go. Just ridiculous. I always hated that part. I almost never watch it. And you're right that it's clear to others about Sam's feelings for Andy (Oliver/Noelle/Jerry). But, I think any feelings she had for him at that point are maybe a little more well hidden, probably due to the fact that he is her TO, and she's in a relationship. Plus, I guess I'm not really totally sure what her feelings for him are at that point. Clearly there's tension, clearly there's understanding and caring, and sexual tension, but love? Probably not. Not yet. (Sorry romantics!) But more hidden doesn't = completely hidden ;) On the other topic... I would kill to know what happened between Luke and Sam prior to Andy joining the force. I totally agree that there is some sort of general snappishness between them that has nothing to do with her. And though I think Sam's comment about "a different rookie every year" is more about his jealousy than anything else, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that there was some sort of incident that spurred it on. |
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| secretk | Feb 8 2012, 05:37 PM Post #188 |
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Well Luke doesn't strike to me as someone who is active. He's not up to a lot of confrontations with Sam. You can check their interactions - Sam is the one that takes the first step and begins. Sam acts, Luke overthinks. So to me this smile was proof that he knew that Sam has feelings for Andy. And Andy's eyes show to him that she fears for something. He couldn't know what, because she didn't know either at that point. By the way I'm not sure in which episode (maybe the third) Luke made some comment about Sam - he told her that he's his superior and if he annoys her, she can talk to him. On one hand he was flirting with Andy and was telling her that she can count on him, on the other hand he also told her I'm better catch than Sam. Maybe I read too much into it, but I so felt Luke's desire to tell her that he's better than Sam. Yeah, I would like to know their story prior the pilot, but I'm not sure that we'll see this. It's like Sam said to her - she overthinks all stupid things, but never the important staff. |
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| margie311 | Feb 8 2012, 05:41 PM Post #189 |
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It was the second episode maybe when he mentioned the "hairball". I think that was total flirting, totally trying to get Andy to like him. and he did a good job *L* She DID like him. I think the grin at the end of the retrain had nothing to do with Andy. It looked genuine, like he thought Sam was just giving him a hard time. He couldnt see the expression on his face while it was happening. And given what we know about Sam, it wasn't like Luke was expecting him to go easy on him. I just really think he had no clue. He didn't have any real reason to. |
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| secretk | Feb 8 2012, 05:47 PM Post #190 |
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Well, who knows what happens in TV land? In Homeland, there was pretty analogical scene and the husband did found out that his wife was cheating on him with his best friend, so who knows? Granted, he did punch him and then ran away and slept with someone else, but after the weekend he returned to his wife and acted like this wasn't problem, so yeah everything is possible. Well, if they have some rival story prior Andy than the whole beat up might be seen differently. Why would Sam want to give him hard time just for the fun? I for once would think about it. |
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| margie311 | Feb 8 2012, 05:55 PM Post #191 |
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honestly, so would I. But Luke...eh. I just think he's very secure at that point in time. Who knows for sure though. I dont think he'd give Sam a snotty smile though, if he knew, bc Sam kicked his ass. I think it would be more angry. oh well. *L* I hate that scene. have I mentioned that? |
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| secretk | Feb 8 2012, 06:00 PM Post #192 |
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Wow you hate it? Why (if I can ask)? Actually I would do exactly that, because I am very private person, who never ever expresses any emotion like that in work environment. So in situation like this I would just smile and I would talk to my partner first. Because I never blame the third person, they don't owe me anything. If something is wrong between me and my partner, the best way to do it is to talk to him. Which is why I think that Luke chose to put his head in the sand. |
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| margie311 | Feb 8 2012, 06:07 PM Post #193 |
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I honestly don't know. The conflict junkie in me was rebelling even as I said it. I enjoy the build up, and I enjoy the aftermath, but as for the actual retrain...ugh. I don't know. I think it just hints at something darker inside Sam, and while I kind of would like to see that come out at one point, and I KNOW he's frustrated... I just can't stand that look on his face. It makes me seriously sad. I almost always fast forward after the kick *L* I do love that part. |
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| secretk | Feb 8 2012, 06:18 PM Post #194 |
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I see. Well I don't know I was conflicted, because I don't like the violence and I don't think that it solves anything. So I didn't like Sam in that scene. If he likes her, that's not the way to show her. Honestly, what was his idea? The way Luke reacted was far more civil to me. While I do wanted Sam to be a bit darker, more dangerous and more gray character, I don't think that this was the way. I actually wanted to see him as UC cop a lot more. I just have it for bad boys who are not total bad ass, but are also not stupidly good and noble. By the way I have to say that I really liked Luke in the end of 7th episode in Season 2. I just liked the way Eric did that, how his eyes flipped when he fought Nixon. He was different there. He was different the whole episode - the drinking scene, the argument with Jo. I liked what the actor did in those episode. |
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| margie311 | Feb 8 2012, 06:22 PM Post #195 |
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um, yeah. you'll never hear me say a bad word about Eric, ever. |
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| sillygyrl8 | Feb 9 2012, 03:19 PM Post #196 |
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A 'Celery Stalk'
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Eric is great ;) |
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| SoWritten | Feb 11 2012, 01:41 PM Post #197 |
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I'm with Margie for most of what she says about the Landy relationship. But, and I have said this before, I felt that the relationship was insincere. Never once in a while we saw Luke show any interest in Andy's well being, he was always worried about how things will reflect on him, his job, etc... And than there is the episode with the John Sweep where he, instead of comforting her, encourages her to do something dangerous. Follow a vague lead without notifying anybody. To impress. And that is what Luke is all about. He wants. no needs, to impress people. Show them how good HE is, no matter how he achieved it. Thing is, I think it started of as a Rookie of the Year thing for him and things just got more interested for him as it became apparent that Sam also had interest in Andy. THAT is when he asked Andy to moved in. After Sam told him it was not Andy who came on to him, but him trying to come on to Andy. Remember, he still did not believe Andy that nothing happened between Sam and her. Sam was the one to reassure him that Andy cared for him. (I do make a distinction between care/like/love.) Luke could not even look at Andy when he 'proposed' to her. And the fact that he kept Jo's ring so close tells me that he was far from over Jo. (The first thing I got rid off after I found someone good enough to make me forget my ex was the engagement ring.) Now as for Andy's part, I can imagine that with her track record she was a) scared to end up alone b) scared to pick the wrong guy (Sam) who would hurt her and c) scared to break the rules (TO-Rookie nono). Especially after we learned her father's tough exit from the force I totally understood that she wanted to 'clear' the McNally name. I don't think a 'forbidden' relationship would actually look to good on your records. To me it was apparent she did have interest in Sam. And where she was wrong doing what she did in 'Hot & Bothered', I can fully understand it. Because the one person that was supposed to give her comfort VOLUNTEERED to work the case. Because it was a big thing and good for HIS career. He let her down. Majorly. (I would never ever accept such a thing from The Man. Never. It would be exit and I would change the locks to the house. There are certain occasions where you just don't put career above girlfriend/wife/whatever.) Anyway, I think that after Luke got shot he never really gave Andy a chance to be there for him. She just did what she is good at. Caring for others. He could have told her what he needed. He didn't. He just shut down completely towards Andy and allowed Jo to cheer him up. Now the cheating was a whole different thing for me. I think he knew damn well what he was walking into when Jo asked him to join the op. And the whole sex thing? Very meaningful! He gave in, after he stated that she broke his heart. He was on top. It's not like she pushed him down and dove on to him. So yeah... Between him and Andy. He was definitely the one crossing all lines. While I feel that Andy was mostly cheating on herself by staying with Luke. 'Fake it till you make it.' BTW; I love Eric! He is hilarious... And a way I like Luke as a career driven workaholic. He's just not relationship material. |
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| secretk | Feb 11 2012, 02:22 PM Post #198 |
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Oh believe me Luke was relationship material (till he cheated) just not for Andy. I know what it is to be workaholic, I'm like that. I also don't exactly expect my partner to comfort me, because I'm the person who prefers to be alone, when I have a problem and want to clear my head, so basically if someone would offered their help, I would decline. Luke wasn't nothing like rude to me. She needed someone, but she didn't say it. She doesn't read minds, he doesn't either. Their relationship lacked at communication level major and they both were at fault. While Sam asked Andy for help, because he is that kind of person, Andy didn't ask Luke for help. She actually decided that he wouldn't help her, because he's busy (surprise, he works as homicide detective and she knew that from the beginning) and went directly to Sam, when she broke down. So he's a relationship material, just not for Andy. She wants something else. She actually didn't know what wanted, but more exactly she needed something else. And somehow Sam was able to give her something in that moment. Although really make out scene? That's what she needed? Sorry, to me Luke and Andy are even. They both liked to fall in the 'Fake it till make it' routine. Well, surprise it doesn't work that way. It has to be more than faking. But then again to me it was never the action the problem, but the desire (even if Andy didn't sleep with Sam, she wanted and she would have done it if Luke didn't call her. I wonder what would have happened if she called him when he was in the room with Jo. And the fact that Luke did call her proves that he's not a douche and he wanted to know she is). Andy didn't want to be with Sam, because he was her training officer and was out of the rules, not because she didn't exactly like him. If she hated him that much, she could easily ask to change her training officer. And if Sam was really that hurt, he would've asked for that too. He secretly loved to flirt with her every time he had the opportunity to do it. And Andy didn't seem so shocked, nor disgusted by that. I didn't feel that Luke wanted to impress people. I've seen it differently. He's detective, usually those people want to know the truth, they want to crack the case. And this is eating them inside. When I was a kid, once in a while I had some really difficult math problem to solve. It was driving me nuts until I find the solution. And I thought about that the whole time, I even dreamed about it until I find the solution. To me that's Luke. He just can't give up until he's either proved his point or he's sure that he's wrong. If there is someone that wants to impress their bosses, that's Andy. Most of her mistakes in the episodes and most of the times she is in danger is because she wants to prove herself. She and Dov even risk Sadie's life in the hooker operation. Even in the Pilot when she blew off Sam's cover, she wanted to prover herself. |
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| cheemie | Feb 11 2012, 03:18 PM Post #199 |
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It's been a long time since I replied on this board - it's nice to see some discussion come back like this. Anyway, I think Luke is a very selfish character - and I always go back to the conversation Andy and Luke had after he was shot and she was contemplating inviting her mother to the wedding and he gave her no support what so ever in that regard. In fact if I remember it correctly he said it in such a way that if it was me I would be hurt all over again - not just by the fact that my mother left me but my fiance just bluntly pointed it out to me. That always struck me as odd and selfish. The character that is Sam would never be so blunt and unsupportive. As far as Andy and Luke both cheating - I'm on the side that they are in no way even. Luke crossed a line and Andy walked up to the line - in an extremely emotional state I might add - but did stop. Not to mention the fact that when Luke cheated he was engaged, when Andy went to Sam's it was never even mentioned that Luke and Andy were exclusive. They hadn't even seen eachother for the better part of two weeks. And, to tell you the truth, I have a hard time understanding exactly what Andy felt (and sometimes even now) feels for Sam - but that I blame on the writers. She was after all engaged to someone else - there really wasn't a whole lot of feelings for Sam on Andy's part in Season 2 (I for one really wish they would have left the kiss behind the ambulance in in 2.1) and then voila she has an epiphany and just has to find him when he is undercover. I really hope we see more continuity in the 3rd season, a little less open to interpretation with the staring off and we're left to wonder what is she thinking? I also hope there is continuity between Season 2 and Season 3 - not just dropped stories. |
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| secretk | Feb 11 2012, 03:45 PM Post #200 |
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cheemie I agree with you - I don't want dropped stories from Season 2 in Season 3. I also want an honest conversation between Sam and Andy and the way they feel it. Because other than the way they look at each other, we actually didn't hear Andy telling Sam that loves him or the other way around. As for Luke - well I kinda think that everyone is selfish. If someone is selfless, then it's kinda of naive. Of course there is a big difference between being selfish in a way to protect yourself and a way to hurt somebody else. Then of course you will always hurt someone else by having what you want, because there always will be someone who wants the same things as you or the same person. So, I would call selfish the people who are so selfish that they hurt the people that they love. Then again that's also an understatement, because sometimes the people that you love are not good for you. Sorry, never easy for me, it's always gray, never black and white. I guess I think that Luke and Andy are even, because I don't believe in engagement crap, nor weddings. I share Traci's opinion. The fact that someone gives me the ring doesn't change anything at all. The wedding is signing a contract - a promise to stay forever and big party to show the people that you love each other. Do we really need this? Not at all. The most important thing is to feel loved. And I didn't exactly feel that Luke loves Andy or that Andy loves Luke, so ... even. Besides Luke was clear when he asked Andy, she hesitated. The she went to him and asked him to buy her a drink - that meant that they are exclusive. Also that's the point, to me Andy didn't cheat on Luke, because Luke called her, not because she didn't want to. So in a way he saved himself from being cheated on. I think that it depends on people mostly. I don't expect to see someone every day to feel that I'm with him. I honestly don't wanna see someone every day, I get bored really easy. I also don't expect someone who is a police officer, detective, doctor, works in ambulance, lawyer (you get my point) to have a lot of time for the other significant. Some of them work 80 hours of week, they don't have a lot of time to be together. As for the mother issue - that was delicate moment I agree. Some people like to hear the truth, others don't. Luke said the truth, which is ugly, but the truth. I prefer someone to tell me the ugly hurtful truth, than to lie to me. I've always seen Luke as person who likes the facts and the story, not the warm feeling touchy person. Which is not bad, just not for Andy. She doesn't want that. While I agree that Sam is for Andy, I would never be with Sam and I would never like him in real life. He's not the guy for me definitely. Luke is not the one either. I also think that in most cases relationships fail because the people are not for each other, they are not compatible. In most cases (excluding idiots, playboys, heartless men and women) people are not bad, they are just not for each other. So I don't think that Luke is that bad, nor awful, I just think that he's not for Andy. |
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