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| SoWritten | Feb 11 2012, 04:15 PM Post #201 |
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Uhm, yeah... Because Luke told her to... And she was not the one to blow Sam's cover. Jerry blew Sam's cover. And can you imagine; "Yeah, sorry. I let the suspect go because he said he was on the job." Yeah... That would have gone well with her superiors. |
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| LAwoman | Feb 11 2012, 04:41 PM Post #202 |
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secretk, one thing I agree with you about is that I personally don't need to cry on a guy's shoulder. I like alone time and space to calm myself down, and then I might want some comfort later. So, yeah, I'm basically the opposite of Andy. And I'm really put off by the idea of using sex to calm your emotional turmoil. I really hate that. I hate it when people even think about an orgasm as a way to purge bad emotions. Yuk. Sex is supposed to be about fun, not offloading your shit on someone else. Thinking about sex that way is one of the things I think leads to a lot of rapes in the military--feeling entitled to having someone help take the pain away when you're under intense pressure. The whole things creeps me out and is a turn off. But I'm with the others. I think Luke is very self absorbed. Even if he is just obsessed with figuring things out, it's more about wanting to solve the puzzle than wanting to get justice for the parties involved. Eric says otherwise when I posed the question of what drives Luke via a reporter who asks for fan input, but I don't exactly buy it. He's not a complete dick or anything, but he's almost always all about himself. That may be a result of getting crushed by Jo. Maybe he didn't used to be like that if he made a career sacrifice for her only to see her step all over him to move up the ladder. But that's how he is now.
I do have to take strong exception to the idea that asking Luke to buy her a drink makes them exclusive though. Huh?? To me that just means, OK I'm thinking about maybe being open to trying something with you, let's talk. Even after their first real date, these days you don't assume you're exclusive until someone actually brings it up and you both agree to those terms. Even if you don't put much stock in weddings and formal ties, there are steps and distinctions along the way in how serious a relationship is. Edited by LAwoman, Feb 11 2012, 04:43 PM.
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| secretk | Feb 11 2012, 05:00 PM Post #203 |
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LAwoman I agree with you completely on the sex subject. Maybe I'm weird, but for me to even have the orgasm, I had to be calm, to have free mind and be happy. With an emotional turmoil, I can't even have an orgasm. Just my mind doesn't work that way and my body really listens to my mind. I don't see sex as means to something, sex is something you share with someone else. It could be fun (although it doesn't work that way for me if I don't like the person), it could be love, but I would never use sex to calm me down. I don't say that Luke is perfect guy, because he's not. He has his problems, like a lot of people. What I hate is that he's seen like the ultimate bad guy and Andy the innocent victim and that wasn't the case. While I wouldn't say that Luke is perfect, because he is not, there are lot worse than him. And while Andy was hurt by Luke, she wasn't the girlfriend of the year. Also I know that it sounds cruel, but being good homicide detective means to not overatached to the victims. I know that this sounds cruel, cold and so on, but the only way to solve a case is to see the bigger picture and to do that you have to think on the case not on the victims. If a real detective thinks about the cases all the time, he would be crushed. We all know how cruel is the real world. If we think about every victim we've seen, we would be insane. The defense mechanism is to not think about that and to focus on the puzzle. So yeah I agree that he's self absorbed, but I won't call him a dick. Yes, you're right about the drinks, that's my misunderstanding. I just assume it wrong, because if I date someone I'm exclusive. If I don't wanna be exclusive, I don't date him, I sleep with him and don't go to dates with him, nor walk with him. So that was my misinterpretation of the situation. |
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| SoWritten | Feb 11 2012, 05:05 PM Post #204 |
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Whaaa, I had a whole lot more on my mind and my in laws caught me out. (I told them I was working...) More from me tomorrow. |
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| SoWritten | Feb 13 2012, 09:56 AM Post #205 |
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Let me start off by saying to me this is turning in to a different discussion now. I want to stress that I do not think Luke is a bad person. At all.
Thing is, this was actually something BIG. HUGE. Not PMS, not just feeling depressed. No, being held at gunpoint and shooting, killing, a suspect for the very first time. Huge difference for me. A week off from work, an IA investigation. This was a big thing. Not a 'oooh, I don't feel too happy can you come over' thing. There is a distinction to be made here.
Yah, but he volunteered. He was supposed to be off work. At the start of shift he actually promised her she'd see him that night; "So I'll see you tonight?" "Count on it!" So... In my opinion, major let down! Especially taken the events of the day. (Especially when he emphasises it's a big case and would be good for his career. You see the disappointment in Andy and he just doesn't pick up on it.)
Yeah, because he said that she could come to him if she needed to talk. He showed her he would be there for her, he would be available. And the making out? I think it was compartmentalising just like Margie said.
I might be mistaken, but where do I say she did not want to be with him? I just pointed out the reasons I believe Andy had for not wanting to be with Sam. Which had nothing to do with feelings, but everything with more practical things. And for Sam I think he just decided to at least give her the best training he could and stay close to her in case she got herself in trouble again. Because, honestly Andy is a bit of a trouble magnet. Something a friend would do too. Some people do not believe it is possible for men and women to have a platonic friendship. I am NOT one of those. My best friend for years was a man (not gay, very straight and now we hardly see each other because his wife doesn't approve) and I have many male friends. They will/would ALWAYS protect me. Always.
Uhm, yeah... Because Luke told her to... And she was not the one to blow Sam's cover. Jerry blew Sam's cover. And can you imagine; "Yeah, sorry. I let the suspect go because he said he was on the job." Yeah... That would have gone well with her superiors. Regarding the cheating; They both crossed a line. But Luke overstepped miles further than Andy did.
I'm still wondering about this... How does it make you exclusive if a guy buys you a drink? I would have had my self a huge harem by now if it did actually. Buying a drink is not dating. Dating is something else. I never saw that first thing after fight night as a date. It was just a little exploring. (So I am with LAwoman on this. And I still wonder about this after your later post in reply to her.) I think you can actually have a good time with somebody without dating and/or being exclusive. Walking, dating (what is a date? I mean going out for a drink doesn't have to be a date) not, but sleeping with him yes? That to me is weird actually. You would have to be interested in somebody to sleep with him right?
Neither do I and I don't think Andy did either. But I think there are some moments when somebody's presence is appreciated. When you are in a relationship you are supposed to see this, sniff this out without even having to be asked. (Small example, if I feel ill I don't ask The Man to stay home. But he will always know when he needs to stay home for me. It just goes without saying. When my father died? He took off from work, no questions asked, without me asking for three weeks. Etc.. When there is mutual respect and you care enough for somebody you will do this without being asked.) And The Man works at least 60 hours a week. And to be honest, everybody has time off at some point. And jobs like police officers and medical personnel are very strictly regulated in hours, because fatigue can cause for undesirable situations to happen.
And this I fully agree on actually. It's true!And for a different discussion;
Wow, I have been called many things before. But never naive. And I most certainly am not naive. But I am not selfish either. I care for others, want to make sure they are okay, offer help where I can. I like to help friends. Selfish is a nasty trade, it means you only care for yourself. And to be honest, not everybody is selfish. If I was selfish I would not be leading the life I lead and I would not have the friends I have. |
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| secretk | Feb 13 2012, 10:22 AM Post #206 |
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Well, maybe part of the problem is that you know English is not my first language , but to me there is difference between not being selfish and being selfless. Anyway, maybe that's my problem, because I use the word in different meaning.To me there are different levels of selfish. You can be selfish by thinking about yourself all the time no matter that you hurt the people around you and the people that you love and the people that love you. That's wrong. People should appreciate their friends and family. So I agree with you about that. But you can be selfish for example by not loving your partner and breaking up with them. It's obvious that if they love you by breaking up with them you'll hurt them, but it's pointless to be with someone if you don't love them. From our point of view this is not selfish, but from the partner's point of view it is. By selfless I meant people who put others' interests always before their own. Meaning the others' happiness is more important than yours all the time. Now, that's for me is naive person. I by no means say that you're naive. If it sounded that way, I sincerely apologize. I definitely didn't mean this. Like I said maybe I just got the word's meaning wrong. What I want to say is that sometimes we just have to think about ourselves, sometimes we have to put our interests above the others. From my experience you can't make everyone happy always. There are times when a decision has to be made and if I always put the others happiness before mine, I will be unhappy. Maybe I'm selfish. I don't say that I'm not, because while I care about the people around me, sometimes I think about myself and my own happiness. Yes, it was big, which is why I wouldn't expect my partner to comfort me. All I'm saying that there are different kind of people. The bigger the problem, the less I want anyone to comfort me. Maybe Luke is one of those people and that's why he treated Andy the same way. Sometimes we treat people the way we like to treat us. I too believe in friendship between men and women, because my best friend is a man and there is none UST between us. For blowing Sam's cover and Sadie I agree with you. But that doesn't change the fact that Andy wants to impress her bosses. I'm not saying that this is bad, I'm just saying that Luke is not the only one that wants to impress his bosses. Not by buying drink, I just got that wrong you know. Like I said I felt like the drink was a metaphor for something more. As for exclusiveness that's my mistake too. It's cultural difference. In my country and in my friend's group we don't need to have the talk if we're exclusive or not. We do the talk only if we want to specify that we're not exclusive. Basically if we don't have that talk then we assume that we're exclusive. I guess in USA and Canada it's different. So that's my error.
See the problem I have with this is that to me she didn't cross the line, because Luke called her. If he didn't call her, she would've done it. That's why I don't think that she was much better than him. |
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| SoWritten | Feb 13 2012, 10:30 AM Post #207 |
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Kissing is as intimate, if not more intimate, to me than sex. But that is my personal opinion. I understand where you're coming from. But as you said yourself. Things are never black & white And I understand your English perfectly, it's just sometimes I wonder about things and like to spar about topics with people, and this is an example. My mind goes in to overdrive, I over think and then I start asking questions #LOLI only know that I have never had 'The Talk' with The Man or my ex. But that is because things just evolved naturally. I have never been in a situation where it was needed to determine with words if something was a relationship or not. And it just goes against everything I stand for to explore opportunities (It's the best way I can think of calling it.) with more than one guy at the same time. Edited by SoWritten, Feb 13 2012, 10:31 AM.
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| secretk | Feb 13 2012, 10:40 AM Post #208 |
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Well yeah, I didn't need the talk either. That's why I assumed that Andy and Luke were exclusive, because I didn't see them talk about that, like Traci and Jerry. But then maybe I'm wrong. I'm glad that I didn't offend you. As for sparing, aren't we supposed to do that in forums? You know I used to think that every cheat is a cheat. Now, I think that it would hurt me more if I know that my partner cheated on me with someone that he loves than with someone that he liked for the f*ck. Maybe I'm not right, but unfortunately right now I'm in a position where I don't believe that a lot of people succeed to be together without cheating at all. But yeah basically the things are never black and white. I didn't mean that you said Luke is a bad person, but there are people who think that and since I'm not fully selfish, I really love to defend people everyone hates. Hence my attempt to give some different perspective of Luke. And I'm glad that my English is not that bad. |
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| LAwoman | Feb 13 2012, 04:51 PM Post #209 |
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BTW, I don't want to give the impression that norms on dating exclusivity are uniform in North America. And it's actually fairly rare that you have an explicit conversation where you both agree this is exclusive, although I have had that conversation before. I just meant that especially until at least the third date, or whatever point sex comes into play, you can't really assume it's exclusive. You have to observe the way the person is acting, how frequent and spontaneous contact is, for example, and other things like that to see how the other person is viewing it. Having lived both in the Midwest and LA, I can tell you it's much more common out here to encounter players who have multiple people in rotation, especially in the early days of dating. So you have to be sure that's not the sort of person pursuing you. And buying drinks at a bar when you just meet or have only met a few times it whatever non-daing social setting doesn't imply any sort of commitment at all. It's definitely just a thresh hold thing to see if a date is even on the radar. |
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| secretk | Feb 14 2012, 11:21 AM Post #210 |
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Today I checked one of those personality tests according to Myers-Briggs. Anyway, reading my results I kinda received epiphany about Luke character (probably because some of the things that I read there might apply about his character). What most people say about Luke is that he's self-centered, which might be true, because we're not the writers, so ... But then I was reminded about something else. Do you know people who seem reserved and distant? I think that we all do. Most of the time we think that those people are simply plain cold and selfish and self-absorbed and think mostly about themselves. And sometimes we are right. In other occasions however those people are just highly introvert. Meaning they do have feelings, but they are not capable of expressing them. They prefer to be alone, instead of surrounded by a lot of people. They are good listeners, but not talkers. Although they don't say it, they actually care about other people and think about them, but they just show it differently. Maybe Luke is one of those people who don't like talking nor expressing his feelings. Somehow he seems more the observer type than the actual player. If you take step back and observe a group of people you'll see how not all of them participate equally in the interaction. There are people who find really easy to interact, to express their feelings, to share their thoughts and people who prefer to listen to the others and think. The latter have their poker face and it seems that they are just above this, that they don't care. The truth sometimes however is that they simply want to keep their thoughts for themselves. Why? Well, mostly fear. They might think differently and in most society the different ones are the rejects. The other thing is that they actually process everything that's being said, forming an opinion, learning new things, changing their vision of the world. Those people are mostly misunderstood, because they don't show much emotion and naturally we can't read them. They might love someone pretty deep, but they don't always show it, because usually they are not big fans of showing attraction publicly. They actually see a lot of things and sense others' feelings, but they are looking in the bigger picture. That's why they are distant, because they don't like to be in the middle of the action, they like to be the judges (refers) who see the whole story. And usually those people might have some problems in the relationship department, because they are misunderstood. I'm not saying that this is 100 % true, but I think that at least sounds logical. Andy is the caring type, she is the type that can easily talk about her feelings. Luke is not like that. Luke is the type of guy that might say the truth even if it hurts (the mother conversation). That by the way is part of the explanation of the scientist types - the ones that likes the facts, who like to research and seek for seeing the truth. Which might be true for detectives. |
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| busywoman | Mar 12 2012, 06:15 AM Post #211 |
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just watching an old episode of Criminal Minds that has Eric Johnson on it & I have to say it gives me a new appreciation of this sexy actor |
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| LAwoman | Mar 12 2012, 06:22 AM Post #212 |
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Speaking of Eric, he tweeted a couple pics of himself working on some "secret project" involving motion capture work, headset and all.
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| margie311 | Mar 12 2012, 01:30 PM Post #213 |
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*mumble mumble* adorable *mumble* |
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| Lyn | Mar 14 2012, 09:18 PM Post #214 |
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Eric's in "Everest" on channel 6 at 1 am if anyone's interested. :) |
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| SoWritten | Mar 19 2012, 06:27 PM Post #215 |
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Doesn't that look like the Alcatraz chair/headthingy? Edited by SoWritten, Mar 19 2012, 06:29 PM.
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| LAwoman | May 1 2012, 08:48 PM Post #216 |
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Not sure which project he's working on, but Eric makes the motion capture suit look hawt!!
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| sillygyrl8 | May 1 2012, 09:53 PM Post #217 |
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that's at the CBC building on Front Street. Interesting...
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| LAwoman | May 1 2012, 10:00 PM Post #218 |
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Really? I assumed he was probably back in Vancouver. It seems they do a lot of motion capture projects in some of the studios there. |
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| sillygyrl8 | May 1 2012, 10:22 PM Post #219 |
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I think he tweeted a couple of days ago that he was back in Toronto... You never think that there was 6 full production studios/suites in that building. It looks like an office building in the middle of downtown Toronto. http://www.cbc.ca/productionfacilities/toronto/ Hmm - now I'm wondering what he is doing - a production of a CBC show, Bold, Documentary network or some other project just using the studios there... I know Murdoch Mysteries is now under the CBC stables now... really curious |
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| snafu | May 16 2012, 12:45 AM Post #220 |
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He's in Edmonton!! Now!! Where I am!!!! Oh my goodness... If there were a way to stalk him without being creepy I would do it. But... uh, there's not..so. I'll just be giddy that he loves this city as much as I do. :P |
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, but to me there is difference between not being selfish and being selfless. Anyway, maybe that's my problem, because I use the word in different meaning.
And I understand your English perfectly, it's just sometimes I wonder about things and like to spar about topics with people, and this is an example. My mind goes in to overdrive, I over think and then I start asking questions #LOL





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